Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:33:57 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com> To: "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM> Cc: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>, lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca, "Hentschel, Thomas" <Thomas.Hentschel@NOVELLUS.com>, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Radio Station ... Message-ID: <199909162233.PAA05544@rah.star-gate.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:16:54 EDT." <199909162216.SAA93183@whizzo.transsys.com>
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Actually, the real reason why there is no more wide spread of the mbone is perhaps more due to stupidity on the part of ISPs and yes I dealt with ISPs . The backbone providers are really happy to slow down adaptation of ip multicast because it cuts into their bottom line or they don't know how to price ip multicast or people are reluctant to pay for reception of ip multicast sessions, the list goes and on ... Where IP multicast has shown that is a big win is in an Intranet scenario for perhaps a geographically dispersed company which are forced to pay about $10K / hour for real time audio/video satellite feed. At any rate, Microsoft is preaching the virtues of ip multicast for the Intranet . There are sound technical and economical reasons for doing ip multicasts . For intance the Berkely Seminars for years were being broadcasted using ip multicast then they decided to switch to real audio /video stuff --- well guess what they found out that from their site they could only support 40 or 50 real audio/video sessions . Besides , real networks servers and clients do support ip multicast. So even though a user may not care what underlying delivery technology is being used they do care about ease of use and accessibility to the multimedia content. > > Respectfully, this is just the sort of thing which will get FreeBSD a > bad reputation. > > The vast majority of end-users that do streaming media application use > either Real or Windows Media player. The folks running the radio station > are likely not interesting in doing technology evaluation or testing of > interesting new clients; they probably only want the j-random user out > there with his windows box to listen to their radio station. > > They don't give a whiz about multicast or unicast; they just want to > click on the link and have noise come out of the speaker. Ideally, they'd > like to use the stuff already on their PC, and that's Real or Media Player. > > Commercially, content providers don't care about multicast either, other > than as an optimization to help reach some of their audience more > cost effectively. They are more interested in getting eyeballs and ear, > regardless of the delivery mechanism. It's just exactly this point > which is the reason you don't see widespread commercial deployment of > "mbone" applications. > > louie > > > Yes they are braind dead apps which you can use the biggest > > issue with ip multicast is if the win boxes can receive ip multicast > > and thats a function of their funky device driver/card and if > > your network is ip multicast enable. > > > > for free win loose ip multicast apps check out: > > > > http://www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/software > > > > > > Also check out this review: > > > > http://www.wnet.ca/multicast/icastrev.htm > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Amancio Hasty > > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > > -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message
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