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Date:      Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:11:43 -0500
From:      Lucas Holt <luke@foolishgames.com>
To:        Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>
Cc:        "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default
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What if it was still included in tinderbox builds and releases. For the latt=
er, the profiled versions could be in a separate distribution set much like d=
oc or games.  The ugly part is freebsd-update..=20

It could still be off by default in the buildworld as anyone smart enough to=
 do source upgrades can toggle something in src.conf.=20

This should make lazy devs happy, speed up build times for those upset about=
 that, etc. it sucks for RE though.=20

I was taught to use gprof in college and it was nice using the same tool on s=
chool sun and Linux boxes as well as my own iBook and FreeBSD desktop.=20

This might be a fair compromise for now with a EOL date in a future release.=
 At some point I assume dropping gnu tools with llvm transition makes sense=20=


Lucas Holt

On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:

>> Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults?
>=20
> There are two or three "users" out of thousands complaining about the defa=
ult.  If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute towards bu=
ying you better build hardware, too.
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