Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:55:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> To: kris@freebsd.org (Kris Kennaway) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami), obrien@freebsd.org, nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh Message-ID: <200004111655.JAA17651@usr01.primenet.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0004101955260.38915-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Kris Kennaway" at Apr 10, 2000 07:58:48 PM
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > The problem is not that "csh" scripts from other systems won't run > > on "tcsh", the problem is that if someone naievely writes code > > thinking that the result will then run on some other box, when in > > fact it will not, because that boxes "csh" has not be replaced > > with "tcsh". > > So you wouldn't object to leaving csh as csh, importing tcsh and making it > the default shell for root? IFF it's statically linked, -OR- we go dynamic linking for everything because we realize that a single file zap will shoot us in the foot, and we are no more vulnerable to ld.so or libc.so dying than /bin/sh, THEN no, I would not object to this. > The perception of new users is really a very big factor here - people who > spend any time listening to newbie comments (as opposed to just talking > about their 20-year old UNIX habits and how they're too old to change) > will know how much we Lose here when they're used to a system (Linux) with > a "friendly" default shell. New users should not be logging in as root. It even says so when they login as root. A user can select tcsh as their account shell, and then use "su -m" instead of "su", of course. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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