Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:02:55 +0100 From: Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks@gmail.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Use of newest version number such as 10.0 instead of current Message-ID: <4EBD472F.4030204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2BdUSypaw5M7Y_KnyxDLDomrvE291K6mb2o-eiZU9ExqVy4YzA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAOgwaMv=wUb11AYwJ_RN1x1p0DGtZb6pJ4cb8R6v0ySYiNTjRw@mail.gmail.com> <2171368.58yxYs0Lbv@funbeast> <CAOgwaMt3er2WGevER7AcVkAbL=-KYLDW_ULx2MnnfDpvZCHcag@mail.gmail.com> <2185571.xNZoOVfxaV@funbeast> <4EBD33A1.2070705@quip.cz> <CA%2BdUSypaw5M7Y_KnyxDLDomrvE291K6mb2o-eiZU9ExqVy4YzA@mail.gmail.com>
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George Kontostanos schreef: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Miroslav Lachman<000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: >> Chuck Burns wrote: >>> On Friday, November 11, 2011 08:17:52 AM you wrote: >>> -snip- >>>> My sentence is NOT about "Current" , but 9.0 RC1 . >>>> Perhaps , you will NOT say , if a person is NOT knowledgeable , he should >>>> NOT use 9.0 RC1 . >>>> >>> If you use a proper RC, then pkg_add will work until a new RC, and since >>> there >>> is no binary upgrade path for anything other than releases, you will need >>> to >>> reinstall, with the newly released RC. >> You can use freebsd-update for RC upgrades too! >> >>> -snip- >>>> Up to now , my most disappointed situation is that , there is NO any >>>> tendency to >>>> lower required expertise level to use FreeBSD . >>>> Such an approach is confining FreeBSD to a small number of elite users >>>> when compared to millions of Linux users let alone hundred millions of >>>> some other operating systems which they are approaching to billions when >>>> version users are summed in spite of paying money also . >>> GhostBSD, PCBSD are two options for "lower expertise" and, as such, are >>> billed >>> as desktop versions of FreeBSD. >>> >>> FreeBSD itself (as well as the other BSDs) is a minimalistic OS, where you >>> can >>> build your own system, making it either into a server, workstation, or >>> even >>> into a desktop system if you so desire. >>> >>> If you want something with point-n-click ease of use, go use one of the >>> two >>> desktop-oriented versions. >>> >>> Both GhostBSD, and PCBSD are just a desktop environment built on top of >>> FreeBSD. PCBSD even has a 9.0 RC out now as well, if you're into testing. >>> >>> PCBSD uses the kde environment, and GhostBSD uses the gnome 2.32 >>> environment. >>> If you want something else, feel free to create your own. There is nothing >>> in >>> the BSD license that prevents you from doing that. >>> >>> Instead of complaining that SOMEONE ELSE should do something that YOU want >>> done, why not just do it yourself. >>> >>> In other words, put up, or shut up. :) >> Really, this is not a proper worded answer to someone who just tried to >> request some more friendliness to new users and increase our user base. >> >> It doesn't metter if there are some other "freebsd based" projects. FreeBSD >> it-self has a problem - fewer users = fewer manufacturers will support >> FreeBSD (drivers). >> >> Miroslav Lachman >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > I agree 100%. The more people follow current the better releases we > will have in the future. Sure current in not for the beginner, you > will need to be able to compile world and kernel and produce debug > symbols. That is expected. > > But maybe we should keep an open mind into ideas and not condemn them > immediately. > If FreeBSD starts using numbers for HEAD/CURRENT, i think a lot of users would find them selves in a situation that they download version 10 in this case and that they are using a develepment version instead of a real release version. So FreeBSD will get more frustrated users, who need to download the latest release again and so on. Keeping the name more seperated from the normal numbering prevents this more or less. Gr Johan Hendriks
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