Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 15:49:30 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Re: Modernizing calendar(1) (was: svn commit: r365984 - head/usr.bin/calendar/calendars) Message-ID: <20201022044930.GF59592@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqe7%2B-m_yMEgNdHt2QBAk8wHhqZNKvcNEQc9mVkhd95wg@mail.gmail.com> References: <20200923134334.czblcl2ppyxjnigs@mutt-hbsd> <CANCZdfpWcwt2gSF5m3_Z2DfBmURpk-UCeOfvFN8H_C8SQu_8WA@mail.gmail.com> <20201020035420.GA59361@eureka.lemis.com> <CANCZdfrbq54H2iCHqsD2B3_7KGOQ0AW-tY4%2BJ1irAJgrr4TdaA@mail.gmail.com> <20201021012323.GA59592@eureka.lemis.com> <ed9abe81-7282-25a0-c5ab-dbda2f2b5ee8@freebsd.org> <7312f281-cebd-0d21-cd2b-d70d15dd2220@freebsd.org> <CANCZdfqHGD1QByrYs4_Mnn0vihjM50RQEXi3dDgXd8xZ=qQGRQ@mail.gmail.com> <20201022041212.GE59592@eureka.lemis.com> <CANCZdfqe7%2B-m_yMEgNdHt2QBAk8wHhqZNKvcNEQc9mVkhd95wg@mail.gmail.com>
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--6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 22:23:08 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 10:12 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 19:48:31 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 4:03 AM Stefan Esser <se@freebsd.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Am 21.10.20 um 09:15 schrieb Stefan Esser: >>>>> Am 21.10.20 um 03:23 schrieb Greg 'groggy' Lehey: >>>> A suggested port has been made available for review, too: >>>> >>>> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26883 >>> >>> Modulo the stuff I left on the reviews.... I love it. I can also >>> extract history from FreeBSDs repo. >> >> The change to calendar(1) looks fine, but I have my issues with the >> port. It seems that we're not alone. On the one hand, both Apple and >> Linux have used our data files for their packages, so removing the >> data files would violate POLA. On the other hand, Apple, Linux, >> NetBSD and OpenBSD are maintaining their own versions of these files, >> along with calendar(1). My guess is that Linux has them hidden on >> GitHub. I'm trying to find out where they maintain the files (can any >> Linuxheads help?), so that we can come to a general agreement about >> how to maintain them. This could include removing calendar(1) from >> the tree entirely and installing from a port. Once again I'm >> concerned about jumping the gun. > > Where we pull them from doesn't affect that. But where other people pull them from *is* relevant. > They can pull from github easily enough. Once they know, yes. But maybe they already have it on GitHub. > And our users can install a port easily enough. It's done all the > time, so wouldn't be that surprising even from that perspective. First they need to know that they have to install a port to get what they got automatically in the past. > This issue has been simmering for years, but has flared up in the > last 6 months. I haven't seen any flare. > Finally, it's my firm belief that the majority of developer opinion > is that this would be better served with this split. It's been that > way for years. Until recently, though, the commit rate has been so > low that people shrugged. Now, there have been enough that it's my > view that the community is jelled behind the split and are growing > inpatient for its resolution. Again, what I see is more shrugging than impatience. So far I have seen you pushing, and one or two asking for action (and that a while back). Those one or two have not responded to this thread, suggesting that they're not overly impatient. > So, unless you have a competing plan, Sorry, I thought I had explained that. > with a firm timeline, I don't think that's important. > I think we should allow se@ to proceed as he proposes. It is time > limited, concrete, simple to execute and in line with other times > we've done similar. The only argument in favour is that it's relatively simple to migrate further. But once it's done, there's a great danger that things will stay that way, and we'll just have one more wrinkle in the history. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA --6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAl+RD1oACgkQIubykFB6QiPACACgrDHfxEyzplqC3VYOiZ++j3EH 9ccAoIbNuVw6kkr/z0BIJoBnhFYfVQNa =PK/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo--
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