Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:00:17 +0100 From: David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Andre Oppermann <andre@FreeBSD.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, Tijl Coosemans <tijl@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r251886 - in head: contrib/apr contrib/apr-util contrib/serf contrib/sqlite3 contrib/subversion share/mk usr.bin usr.bin/svn usr.bin/svn/lib usr.bin/svn/lib/libapr usr.bin/svn/lib/libap... Message-ID: <DCDE1482-C61C-4533-B8D5-DD12C0229A09@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com> References: <201306180253.r5I2rj45053959@svn.freebsd.org> <11DA3D8A-AD20-4DE1-B807-D09814F61947@bsdimp.com> <51C1C7BD.9060201@FreeBSD.org> <201306191113.29703.jhb@freebsd.org> <A5DB9B17-9622-4F65-A902-4984CDD82DC3@FreeBSD.org> <8D00BE2B-FD8E-4E7B-B818-1C4B7F6BB6A5@bsdimp.com> <F96228E4-16C3-4238-B54B-7E7C0C08B95B@FreeBSD.org> <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On 20 Jun 2013, at 20:34, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > People trying new versions of FreeBSD. Some of them install the release, others might install a snapshot, some will do an install world. But if it worked in release 9.3 and broke in 9.4, then to find where they would need to install an svn port to get all the points in between. > > Not having to install a port, possibly a port that got messed up by the world you just build, is a big win for me in my mind. Users often have commented to me that running FreeBSD gets harder and harder with more hoops to jump through to do things that used to be easy. Installing svn is one more hoop. It, by itself isn't a huge hoop, but if we can avoid that hoop we should. > > I do mind installing a port to do this. We've kicked too much out of the tree in the name of anti-bloat, and frankly I'm glad to see this. This rationale makes sense to me. > I think insisting on a definitive statement on svn lite's mission statement is a way to obstruct progress. Sometimes you just need to things because they feel right, not because they have been through a 20-step approval process... When we add something to base, it should always be for a reason with a defined use-case that can't be (easily) solved by existing means. I think we have that rationale now, and I'm happy. A long discussion could have been circumvented by providing it up-front. David [-- Attachment #2 --] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRw19SAAoJEKx65DEEsqIdbPwQAJfjqRTI6R6UpkUKS05uoydL /Dle4aJMStvF0cnJAsRppGxqWWmSvWwTmYfFsqsdypC4XpzlptMIkXevMBZVI6eS 4VGNl1rTY4yeS7qcyISGIgk0nYCUxzF1LrgTpqgP1+sgcbaIhx6CxMnPaxkuDS/A 2I+9HH9MdqyU1K690k+eFeVmQW1dUESi47P5zBoBlOkOsCxlPIDi0l2M8OCcIYQh k/VUbh+JxWWfGV7gxz2ShfJ1NtI457eI6DmjclbGCi4eCVIR3c1+xOcGtuDKmsUs nrDmW88FRnIVPetIMGGINb7nFrsh34vaAC7IlgjxddKpGaucuDZKY7s7xcwCUPvQ q8eR68TvcAxxDy9NQ0V4OsGTOoU6LY0VTMZ2LdoWqoLIkGn4U9QCiZGWOPS46kEc 7W0aTkEusmyX/ojMpRiNvFaXNUq7nq49OLUjk9OrPRv3/fNJsjlbw8A+T/u+J2wg rQSMkzCfhHv9NmqsXAIiIk/A+USfg2/pJM6cQ4WuWpkmDqXRPIX2127fg8hk9jDD KOFA2qOcOvx/mDZYqvJ4K6r7GjmsJd+NTFB7y1WGLkKjLPTsoU9UgRcKX3kYzlGc JZQVer85EzfepDsjE4H3SRVcjeelZqQrFrS3LI/gz2VL222rvyeVAu3ZkRU3lPS4 1SMvLpeABNb8lVAdObum =jaDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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