Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 11:59:42 -0800 From: Walter Parker <walterp@gmail.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) Message-ID: <CAMPTd_BsUUpcT=-%2B7NfdB02tLicrbTrML_r6gXQ3n0A8Q5ctyQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfoN5oWHksOhyKpMgUntU-y3yJsGCMqSxsc3U5e6_WDhrA@mail.gmail.com> References: <JDv17dtjl93rFR9A8XB9qHlawC2oW7JmmXWsnMKq2r51p61si48CAAOzIBi6pY_nTMdJ7zCvSL6M-Hics-CrqLhDJjZP2SG0v1zEHqH8Ug4=@stevengharms.com> <CAFYkXjmN7ma1GDuFP5p3KdHJtoO9Yri-iNLtuOL6mDKx91CBhA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnEW8G03VKw4B77-aMQFnPLH7RZQApxWqCZpts5rpQWiA@mail.gmail.com> <S0scwcCr6CV-mqjXoa25r0XOQqm86TCcIXyl9iZ0mV-BrIKOlkfuHKxqjpbH8cuinimu4-9QRren6m9GGEZ5j_euqb9Vz0Wry1kXCalH30Y=@stevengharms.com> <Z6EFaan24qJc82hw@cell.glebi.us> <CALvWPyZjq%2BTAE9e4VgNkc2RMeUu7oR_RmZS3kx=tcJG=Z%2B762Q@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfoN5oWHksOhyKpMgUntU-y3yJsGCMqSxsc3U5e6_WDhrA@mail.gmail.com>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 10:58 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text > screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that work if it has > broken (it used to work great). > I like this idea. A pretty splash screen for those that don’t want text and a text screen for those that do. As a separate project, optional settings for reducing the output of the text screen would not be bad (but isn’t make it the default in the server builds). > Warner > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10 AM Maku Bex <zagazaw2004@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Remember that quiet/silent != fast. You might as well ask for a "pretty" >> splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll. >> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security >>> Mail) wrote: >>> S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. >>> My motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. >>> Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the >>> FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going >>> well. >>> >>> This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current >>> winner". >>> This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good >>> features. >>> >>> But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem that >>> computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing >>> something. >>> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is >>> not a >>> feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a >>> problem >>> and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop >>> market. >>> As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. >>> Was OSX >>> more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX >>> instead >>> of FreeBSD? >>> >>> Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to >>> optionally >>> enable silent boot are welcome. >>> >>> -- >>> Gleb Smirnoff >>> >>> [-- Attachment #2 --] <div><br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136)">The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis</span></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 10:58 AM Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that work if it has broken (it used to work great).</div><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I like this idea. A pretty splash screen for those that don’t want text and a text screen for those that do.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As a separate project, optional settings for reducing the output of the text screen would not be bad (but isn’t make it the default in the server builds). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Warner</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10 AM Maku Bex <<a href="mailto:zagazaw2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">zagazaw2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><p dir="ltr">Remember that quiet/silent != fast. You might as well ask for a "pretty" splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll. </p> <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <<a href="mailto:glebius@freebsd.org" target="_blank">glebius@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote:<br> S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. My motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going well. <br> <br> This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current winner".<br> This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good features.<br> <br> But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem that<br> computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something.<br> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is not a<br> feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a problem<br> and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop market.<br> As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. Was OSX<br> more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX instead<br> of FreeBSD?<br> <br> Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally<br> enable silent boot are welcome.<br> <br> -- <br> Gleb Smirnoff<br> <br> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div></div>home | help
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