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Date:      Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:29:12 -0700
From:      Jimmy Huang <jimmyh@skat.usc.edu>
To:        nate@sneezy.sri.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Linux vs FreeBSD install
Message-ID:  <199509020829.BAA24804@skat.usc.edu>
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In comp.os.linux.development.system you write:
[nate@sneezy.sri.com]
>In defense of the FreeBSD tools, I suspect part of the difficulty in
>installations was because of the familiarity with the Linux installation
>tools.  Heck, I have a harder time with the new FreeBSD tools since I'm
>used to the 1.X series, but new users tend to find them much easier to
>use.  People who are biased towards a particular install will almost
>always find them more difficult.

very true.

>I suspect that *most* people don't have the space for emacs as a default
>editor.

very true. To fix that have micro-emacs handy somewhere in the 
/freebsd/bin/bin.aa stuff. Sorry about not having the details.
But they're on a CD I can't mount and I don't want to reboot from
freeBSD yet ;-)

>Again, most people don't have the space for *ALL* packages to be
>installed.  However, if you are truly interested in providing
>constructive criticism to make the tools better, send email to
>hackers@FreeBSD.org.  They could certainly use some fresh eyes looking
>at the tools since we're all a little bit biased on what we expect to
>see.

I got the CD-ROM. The 2.0.5 Stuff. And the hierarchy needs to be 
better for people who can only access their CD-ROM's through DOS
cuz you don't have a compatible CDrom driver. 

For example. I'm assuming that the distrib directory 
contains all the "necessary" stuff. and the "packages" directory
contains all the neat stuff. 

So the /distrib/bin and /distrib/"XSTUFF" is fine.  
What's all that other cruft in the distrib directory that 
have no text files describing them???

the packages directory is fine, except all the files are *really*
at packages/All. (kind of annoying). I think it should be the 
other way around.  

Also the documentation is wrong. You need to copy the files 
into c:\freebsd\bin and c:\freebsd\floppies etc etc. 
The command given copies them into c:\freebsd ... 
This was in some file labeled "INSTALL"

I think I should be Complaining to Walnut Creek about this.
But their full satisfaction gaurantee involves me having to 
return the CD's!!! I don't want to do that...

Oh, also where's szrz? couldn't find that. Hmm. what else?
You need a way to configure a loopback dummy network device easily. 
PPP here at my school is dynamic, so I left some stuff blank.
It's giving me error messages (okay, don't have to answer that
one. I'm dead positive it's in the FAQs somewhere on the CD ;-). 

The route and ifconfig look different. But it also looks way
different in SunOS and Solaris too, heh (nevermind). 

Oh. You need a sample .tvtwmrc file for your tvtwm package. 
That's all I can think of for now. 

Jimmy, was w/ Linux, will be a BSD convert for next couple of weeks
	for testing purposes ;-).

btw, BSD's virtual Memory rulz over Linux. 

It's kind of funny, I always expected stuff to compile easier 
on BSD machines, cuz the stuff I use was originally written on them
or a Sun station.  But some source have been ported around sssoo
much that it will no longer compile on FreeBSD w/out some major 
regressive tweaking (heheheh). 

Also, you're install program is way way better (orders of magnitude)
than what it was 4 years ago, when I tried freebsd and linux the first
time and chose linux cuz I couldn't figure it out. 




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