Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:18 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@freebsd.org> To: Oliver Fromme <olli@lurza.secnetix.de> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? Message-ID: <20060928091705.X1975@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de>
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database > > > throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start > > > all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired > > > after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? > > > > Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for > > host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts > > and such ... > > I'm not sure that will work well ... Lets see what happens > when October begins. At the beginning of September, the > statistics were all reset to zero. That is correct ... this is one of my hosts: id | unique_key | country_code | first_connect -----+-----------------------------------+--------------+---------------------------- 235 | cdd6a5011ac543400bcaafb413ae577d | PA | 2006-08-15 06:53:50.077533 And this is what its reported for so far: id | operating_system | release | architecture | report_month -----+------------------+-------------+--------------+---------------------------- 235 | FreeBSD | 4.11-STABLE | i386 | 2006-08-15 07:08:50.694954 235 | FreeBSD | 4.11-STABLE | i386 | 2006-09-01 08:30:06.198988 (2 rows) One for August, one for September ... start of October, a third entry will be added ... > Sorry, I was a bit unclear ... I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't > collect the numbers for each OS sub-variant (or lets call it > "distribution") separately. But I think it would make sense to group > them together for the "Big 4" on the front page (main page) at > bsdstats.org. Except those that are working hard on the various 'sub-variants' are proud to see the fact that the work they are doing is being used, plus, it helps to advertise those sub-variants, so that ppl know they are out there ... > By the way, I think you cannot tell much from those numbers, because > they don't really show any real-world usage of the various BSD variants. > Not now, and not in a year from now. The reason for that is that the > different BSD projects have very different policies for enabling the > bsdstats script by default during installation or during update. The thing is, we're not looking at producing a "this is all the BSD hosts that are out there" sort of number ... we are trying to produce a "see, there *is* a BSD market" ... what does some place like Adaptec consider a "market", that I don't know ... 100k hosts? 500k hosts? I don't know that, each manufacturer (both software and hardware) will have different thresholds ... the point is that we now have *some* marketing numbers that aren't "purely guesswork" ... Hell, even looking at the numbers now ... 10,328 hosts, 42.2% of which are OpenBSD ... 4 362 hosts doesn't sound like alot, but those are 4 362 hosts that will *never* see an Adaptec controller because of Adaptec's closed-doc policy ... what's the average price of an Adaptec controller nowadays? Looking at there site, their SAS RAID controller is SRP: $995 ... that is $4 340 190 in potential revenu *if* everyone bought that card ... even if average price was $100, that is $436 200 in potential revenue that can't be tap'd ... and that number is probably not even 1/10th of the actual # of hosts out there ... And ya, I know, not everyone would by Adaptec even if they had open docs ... that isn't the point ... the point is that Adaptec is getting *zero* right now from the OpenBSD market, since they are closed docs ... > By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD has gotten > ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been growing at a much higer > rate all the time, and will continue to do so. Soon the statistics will > "prove" that OpenBSD's user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, > because we won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. > I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar with the > sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late because we're already in > code freeze, and sysinstall is a particularly critical piece of code. > Apart from that, such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by > bike shed discussions. Of course, not submitting the patch ASAP will ensure that not only do it not getting into 6.2-RELEASE, but it won't get into subsequent releases, or -CURRENT, or ... :) > *sigh* I'm sorry, what I wrote isn't really constructive, but rather > bellyaching about the whole situation. Maybe I should better shut up > now. :-) I got tired of bellyaching, and created bsdstats.org ... *shrug* ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
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