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Date:      Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:53:18 -0500
From:      "Jacques A. Vidrine" <nectar@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Hogwash
Message-ID:  <20020625005318.GB43386@madman.nectar.cc>
In-Reply-To: <200206242327.g5ONRBLI012690@cvs.openbsd.org>
References:  <200206242327.g5ONRBLI012690@cvs.openbsd.org>

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:27:11PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Nobody is `in' on the bug.  The OpenSSH team has given details to no
> > one so far, so we are assured to be blindsided.  I'm afraid security
> > contacts with various projects and vendors know no more than what was
> > said in the bugtraq posting.
> 
> Bullshit.

You are reacting to my `blindsided' comment.  The rest is factual,
AFAIK, and your comments below seem to underline that.

> You have been told to move up to privsep so that you are immunized by
> the time the bug is released.
> 
> If you fail to immunize your users, then the best you can do is tell
> them to disable OpenSSH until 3.4 is out early next week with the
> bugfix in it.  Of course, then the bug will be public.
>
> I am not nearly naive enough to believe that we can release a patch
> for this issue to any vendor, and have it not leak immediately.

Still, we'll all be much more at ease once all the cards are on the
table.  I appreciate that you are trying to prepare users, but forgive
me if I don't agree that witholding the details is the best approach.

Cheers,
-- 
Jacques A. Vidrine <n@nectar.cc>                 http://www.nectar.cc/
NTT/Verio SME          .     FreeBSD UNIX     .       Heimdal Kerberos
jvidrine@verio.net     .  nectar@FreeBSD.org  .          nectar@kth.se

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