Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:34:57 +0100 From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> To: Allan Bowhill <abowhill@blarg.net> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug in ports howto question Message-ID: <p0600200bbbeacb501f25@[10.0.1.2]> In-Reply-To: <20031126061611.GC55245@kosmos.my.net> References: <20031027223648.GC1004@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> <20031028000708.GA52155@kosmos.mynet> <20031028004319.GF1004@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> <20031125072702.GG340@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20031125064404.GA38625@kosmos.my.net> <20031125193010.GB67289@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20031125094426.GA39119@kosmos.my.net> <20031125222426.GA3585@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20031125152800.GA40176@kosmos.my.net> <20031126061932.GA9451@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20031126061611.GC55245@kosmos.my.net>
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At 10:16 PM -0800 2003/11/25, Allan Bowhill wrote:
> You are changing the meaning of my statement and arguing against it,
> pretending I said it. You are creating a straw man.
No, he's not. You took a definition that based on events and
applied it to a completely different situation (skillsets), and then
tried to continue to use the same term.
Use the right term, the right way.
> Now we get to the real reason for your attack. You have an expanded
> view of systems administration to include programming.
There are some aspects of systems administration that share a
great deal with programming. In those cases, whether you're doing
"systems administration" or "programming" depends on on the broader
context in which you are performing that action.
> My position, correct or not, is that systems administration and
> programming are two fundamentally distinct and exclusive areas.
Wrong. They have a hell of a lot of overlap. There are some
areas which are unique to one particular area or the other, but there
is more overlap than not.
> To tie this back to the original argument, I think the perception that
> they are one in the same has led to unrealistic expectations on the Unix
> front, that developers should also be expert systems administrators.
Or vice-versa, that you all systems administrators should also be
expert programmers.
I agree with this conclusion, but I disagree with the way you
have gotten there.
> To have robust 3rd-party development, one should not expect all
> contributing programmers to have advanced system administrative skills,
> because such an expectation would be self-defeating.
Also agreed.
--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
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