Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:40:04 +0100 From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Message-ID: <a05200f04ba68adbcf669@[10.0.1.2]> In-Reply-To: <l9n0l9c6tt.0l9@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030205171407.A15358@freebie.xs4all.nl> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0302051056020.97117-100000@InterJet.elischer.org> <20030205190345.GD42936@roark.gnf.org> <20030205140726.407e150a.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <3E41CFED.45413F33@kuzbass.ru> <20030206005639.V40993@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <l9n0l9c6tt.0l9@localhost.localdomain>
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At 3:44 PM -0800 2003/02/06, Gary W. Swearingen wrote:
> Several core members have made it quite clear on -chat that the
> threshold reason that Matt lost his priviledge was that he was too
> impolite.
No. Not impolite. More like thermonuclear offensive and
unbelievably abusive. In multiple cases. Over a long period of
time. Sure, Matt has helped a number of people, myself included.
But he has also reamed a lot of people a wide variety of new
orifices, some of which have been made large enough to drive the
Starship Enterprise through, as well as the whole rest of Starfleet.
That said, it was my understanding that Matt was getting better.
Certainly, I have not personally seen this kind of behaviour from
Matt in a while -- I'm guessing that he has gotten better (than he
was) and restricted this kind of behaviour to less public lists.
However, there would appear to have been too much over a long
period of time, and one particular (perhaps relatively minor) event
was enough to vapourize the camel, the desert underneath it, the rock
underneath the desert, the mantle, and everything else all the way
down to the -core. ;-)
> But many people
> are complaining that the politeness threshold of individual core members
> and of the group are wrong, with some complainers finding it very wrong.
When you have a talking dog, the marvel is not that it speaks
perfect prim and proper Oxford English, but that it can talk at all.
The miracle here is that Matt has lasted as long as he has.
> (I've had my own encounter with this threshold and found it very wrong.)
> It need not be something to take personally; it's just a belief that
> FreeBSD would be better off with a (much?) looser attitude on the part
> of the Politeness Police. People are just trying to influence core's,
> and others', attitudes; elections aren't the only way to do that.
I don't think there's any problem with their "politeness
threshold". Witness the load of elephant dung that Bill Huey has
been spewing lately. If he keeps it up, he might reach Matt's level
soon, and then in a few years he could expect to have his commit bit
taken away, then given back, and then taken back away a few more
years down the road.
I would say that this is excessively generous to a fault, and my
personal view is that they should take things back the other way a
few notches. There's just no excuse for this kind of behaviour.
IMO, the only real question on this matter is the level of
information we were provided by -core regarding this subject, and the
fact that I feel that they should have come up with a minimal
official announcement on this subject and publicly posted it.
In terms of what information we've finally gotten, I'm relatively
satisfied with what Greg Lehey has provided. I just wish this level
of detail had been provided beforehand, so as to avoid this whole
argument.
--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
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