Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:54:36 -0800 From: "Majid Almassari" <majid@ibroadcast.net> To: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <questions@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Fw: Certifications Message-ID: <008f01bf839e$d404d0a0$42b6ded0@ibroadcast.net>
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----- Original Message ----- From: Majid Almassari <majid@ibroadcast.net> To: Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>; John Flowers <John.Flowers@botcc.com> Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Certifications > That is nice and dandy but what is your prove that you went crazy and dove > with both heads and feet? I do admit that there exist paper certified > "professionals" but when I hire some one I need that certification "that > piece of paper is important because it shows me the minimum knowledge level > needed" also I see some professionals talk about paper certified > professionals like it was the dominant situation. They do exist but they are > not dominant, in the contrary of professionals who did XX numbers of years > of experience with no certifications and simply stunned on a basic concept, > Iv seen some head scratch when it comes to the basics and Iv seen some > professionals who are scared to death to loss their job or miss a promotion > because someone with a certification beats them to it? so what is the excuse > for these veterans, blame it on Paper Certifications some of the "paper > certification" claims are raisin from fear of competition and jealousy. > Quite frankly I know some professionals preparing for the RedHat Exams (lack > of FreeBSD one) and they been practicing UNIX for years so when they get > certified I won't say they are paper certified, they work day and night > around RedHat and they study hard to get the certifications. I would hope > one of these days some certification exists for FreeBSD what the heck I > might start one, with a text already out like the Complete FreeBSD by Greg > Lehay. So lets put this "paper certification" claim in prospective please? > > > -- > Majid Almassari, MSEE, MCP. > Systems Administrator > iBroadcast, Inc. > http://www.ibroadcast.com > Email: majid@ibroadcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net> > To: John Flowers <John.Flowers@botcc.com> > Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: Certifications > > > > > > Frmo my own experience in computer land - and from the hair loss Ive > > suffered hiring computer staff, the best way to learn ANYTHING is to jump > > in and get crasy. > > > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, John Flowers wrote: > > > > > My mistake. really what I probably should have asked what is the best > way to > > > learn FreeBSD. Through classes or as I am doing now, in the trenches > > > grinding my way through? I do know many of those " Paper Certified" > > > administrators, so I understand. Well back to the trenches I go. > Before I > > > go another question. I am building my FreeBSD workstation from the > ground > > > up. Does anyone have any suggestions for the board to use. and what > > > processor would be best Intel or should I go towards the Alpha. I have > been > > > leaning towards an asus P2B-S, or ASUS P3C-S for a motherboard, with a > > > Pentium 3. I am still researching the Alpha. > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > John Flowers > > > > > > Steve Hovey wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, John Flowers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Where do I go to find classes to be certified in FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > > > Short answer, there aren't any. Longer answer, it wouldn't > mean > > > > > anything even if there were. > > > > > > > > You are making that smart person mistake - those of us in the trenches > > > > realise that certification courses are waste (Ive known several > certified > > > > stupid people) - BUT business is a game, and non-techie managers need > > > > something to go by to feel they are making a good hire choice, and > > > > unfortunately buy into the cert thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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