Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 03:22:22 -0500 From: estrabd <estrabd@gmail.com> To: Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> Cc: Artur Manuel <amad@atl.tools>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Git haas gone wild (Rust) Message-ID: <CALSf6fRuOZgg=TGS21piemRYojzUJLgDvU%2BtYhnqODSEFis04w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20250908223641.69d842d9@nuclight.lan> References: <00202803-6a1a-44ca-b110-9f1404d2c9bc@FreeBSD.org> <DCLMH25HMEAN.334NBIR7YEOXI@atl.tools> <CALSf6fT2jKTJevpUsBCpqwMRAOrgX251%2B43jq9ok6ptsuLeuvw@mail.gmail.com> <20250908223641.69d842d9@nuclight.lan>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Artur - thank you. Vadim - I agree with you and have seen the same. I was actually trying to extricate Perl from the tiresome and wildly false implication that Rust is a good replacement for Perl in pretty much any case. Cheers, Brett On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:36 PM Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 12:55:21 -0500 > estrabd <estrabd@gmail.com> wrote: > > > At least one of the individuals I saw on that Git dev email list being a > > proponent for Rust is someone I worked personally with as a Perl > > programmer, and he's one of the best Perl programmers I know. He's > arguing > > *in favor* of Rust being used with git. So the 2 are not mutually > > exclusive. The Perl community is still extremely active and still very > much > > alive, but one thing that really gets my feathers ruffled is when Rust > > people (in particular) throw shade in our direction. Please don't try to > > draw others into this, no Perl programmer I know has even batted an eye > > about this. How it pertains to FreeBSD is another issue entirely, so > let's > > stay on target. > > I know some Perl programmers loving Rust, too, but en masse still view > this as > contradictory and unusual for Perl community to promote Rust which has very > different values than Perl. One of that values, shared by also both C and > FreeBSD, is stability. > > And for example, as for VCS, the author of SQLite and Fossil DVCS, tells in > https://sqlite.org/whyc.html that Rust, in it's current state, is > unsuitable > for thsese projects, in particular due to stability and support. > > Even myself had bad exeprience when I was in need to compile older Firefox > 126 > in March and this was not doable in host system (so I need to create jail > with > 9-months-older ports) due to Rust crates in that FF were compilable by Rust > 1.78 but broken with Rust ~1.82 - same code, just few minor versions! > > So it could be forecast this would be maintenance nightmare, especially > given > FreeBSD major branch support times. > > -- > WBR, @nuclight > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Artur - thank you. Vadim - I agree with you and have seen the same. I was actually trying to extricate Perl from the tiresome and wildly false implication that Rust is a good replacement for Perl in pretty much any case.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Brett </div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 8, 2025 at 2:36 PM Vadim Goncharov <<a href="mailto:vadimnuclight@gmail.com">vadimnuclight@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 12:55:21 -0500<br> estrabd <<a href="mailto:estrabd@gmail.com" target="_blank">estrabd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > At least one of the individuals I saw on that Git dev email list being a<br> > proponent for Rust is someone I worked personally with as a Perl<br> > programmer, and he's one of the best Perl programmers I know. He's arguing<br> > *in favor* of Rust being used with git. So the 2 are not mutually<br> > exclusive. The Perl community is still extremely active and still very much<br> > alive, but one thing that really gets my feathers ruffled is when Rust<br> > people (in particular) throw shade in our direction. Please don't try to<br> > draw others into this, no Perl programmer I know has even batted an eye<br> > about this. How it pertains to FreeBSD is another issue entirely, so let's<br> > stay on target.<br> <br> I know some Perl programmers loving Rust, too, but en masse still view this as<br> contradictory and unusual for Perl community to promote Rust which has very<br> different values than Perl. One of that values, shared by also both C and<br> FreeBSD, is stability.<br> <br> And for example, as for VCS, the author of SQLite and Fossil DVCS, tells in<br> <a href="https://sqlite.org/whyc.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://sqlite.org/whyc.html</a>; that Rust, in it's current state, is unsuitable<br> for thsese projects, in particular due to stability and support.<br> <br> Even myself had bad exeprience when I was in need to compile older Firefox 126<br> in March and this was not doable in host system (so I need to create jail with<br> 9-months-older ports) due to Rust crates in that FF were compilable by Rust<br> 1.78 but broken with Rust ~1.82 - same code, just few minor versions!<br> <br> So it could be forecast this would be maintenance nightmare, especially given<br> FreeBSD major branch support times.<br> <br> -- <br> WBR, @nuclight<br> </blockquote></div></div>help
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