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Date:      Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:17:46 -0800
From:      Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        James A Wilde <james.wilde@telia.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Programmers' editor?
Message-ID:  <19991124121746.C2554@orion.ac.hmc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <19991124135521.44585@mojave.sitaranetworks.com>; from grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com on Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 01:55:21PM -0500
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On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Greg Lehey wrote:
> OK, I've said my piece here, and I disagree entirely.  But it's not up
> to me; I've been using Emacs and similar editors for 20 years.  The
> real question is: what do newbies think?  Anybody want to comment?
> Also, Brooks, have you *used* Emacs?  Recently?  If so, I'd like to
> know what you consider non-intuitive.

OK, I'll qualify my statement.  I haven't used emacs all that recently,
I think it was about 4-5 years ago when I last tried it for much of
anything.  It's a perfectly good editor, much like Linux is a perfectly
good operating system, it's just one I choose not to use.  I won't
defend it and I may poke fun it it's relative memory footprint and
insanely large feature set, but I don't intend to slam it.  When I tell
people to use a real editor I usually mention both emacs and vi, I just
can't help them with emacs since the emacs skills pretty much stop at
bailing out so I can reset the EDITOR variable to vi and get back to
work. ;-)

It's possible that emacs might even make me more efficient, but I doubt
I'd make up the time I'd lose retraining myself to do that things I know
how to do in vi.  That's especially true since last time I looked, 
number of them didn't appear to have 1-1 mappings meaning I had to
change my whole paradigm not just the keys I press.  

-- Brooks

-- 
"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not
have, nor do they deserve, either one"
                                           --Thomas Jefferson 


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