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Date:      Thu, 23 Apr 2026 08:13:48 +0000
From:      Anton Shterenlikht <lists@cmplx.uk>
To:        stable@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [HEADS UP] stable/15: new base packages for PAM, zstd
Message-ID:  <aenUvAuAGC8SgpKi@cmplx.uk>
In-Reply-To: <aek7L4X26D0zQTU-@amaryllis.le-fay.org>
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 10:18:39PM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote:
> Anton Shterenlikht wrote in <aeh6ddAuDClL4YFn@cmplx.uk>:
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 12:52:43PM -0700, Mark Millard wrote:
> > > On 4/21/26 08:52, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 12:30:50PM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote:
> > > > I recently upgraded Lenovo T480 laptop from some 14.x relase to 15.0-RELEASE-p4.
> > > > I'm still figuring out the use of pkg for base upgrades.
> > > > 
> > > > For a few weeks all was working more or less well (some unexpected
> > > > reboots, but I had no time to dig into that).
> > > > 
> > > > After reading your mail, I typed the pkg query command you suggested,
> > > > which returned nothing.
> > > > I then did "pkg install FreeBSD-set-minimal".
> > > > When that completed, I realised that my user is gone....
> > > > 
> > > > Looking at /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd I see that indeed
> > > > my user is not there anymore.
> > > 
> > > Did you end up with the likes of:
> > > 
> > > /etc/passwd.pkgsave
> > > /etc/master.passwd.pkgsave
> > 
> > Yes, I have /etc/master.passwd.pkgsave
> > 
> > So what happened?
> > Is it expected that "pkg install FreeBSD-set-minimal"
> > should erase all ordinary users from /etc/master.passwd
> > and save the original file as /etc/master.passwd.pkgsave?
>  
> no, something has gone wrong here.
> 
> how did you install this system?
> 
> /etc/master.passwd is in the FreeBSD-runtime package, which must always
> be installed on a pkgbase system.  the only reason 'pkg upgrade' would
> overwrite it with a pristine copy is if you somehow didn't have that
> package installed, but if that was the case, the system would already
> be completely non-functional.
> 
> the only way i can imagine this happening if you had a non-pkgbase
> system, then installed FreeBSD-runtime (e.g., as a dependency of
> FreeBSD-set-minimal), but this should not be possible in a normal
> non-pkgbase installation since the FreeBSD-base repository won't
> be enabled.

I admit I got a bit complacent... doing major and minor
updates with freebsd-update for years about any issue,
that I stopped reading UPDATING, and such.
So all this is my fault probably.

I used freebsd-update to upgrade from some 14.4 to 15.0.

Once on 15.0, when updating ports, I noticed some differences,
read some posts, and found out about pkgbase.
It's possible that I missed some key steps
going 14 -> 15, or made some other mistakes.

But after upgrading to 15.0, all I did was "pkg upgrade".

Thank you

Anton



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