Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:03:34 +0100 (CET) From: sthaug@nethelp.no To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base Message-ID: <20111203.140334.74707074.sthaug@nethelp.no> In-Reply-To: <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> References: <CAJ-VmonQQ-yHrDox35gpuaXXYV5j%2BUXOJH5jr93m3j=uBgbkWA@mail.gmail.com> <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru>
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> > The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no > > matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. > > > > This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the > > majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it must be the > > default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as part of the > > overall operating SYSTEM. I don't think of myself as change-averse. I've been using FreeBSD since 1996, and there have been lots of changes since that time. But two of the most important reasons I still use FreeBSD are: - Stability: Both in the sense of "stays up basically forever", and in the sense of "changes to interfaces and commands are carefully thought through and not applied indiscriminately". For instance, I like very much the fact that the ifconfig command can configure VLANs etc - while Linux has introduced new commands to do this. - The base system is a *system* and comes with most of what I need, for instance tcpdump and BIND. For me the fact that I don't need to install lots of packages to have a usable system is a *good* thing. > You are right in general, except one small factor. We are talking about > bootstrap. > CVS is used by many as the one of the ways to get the sources to the freshly > installed system to recompile to the last available source. It will > become inconvenient > to do it through the process of installing some ports for that. > Especially if corresponding > ports would require some other ports as dependences. I use CVS (or rather csup) to keep the base system up to date. I would be perfectly okay with using a different utility - however, I would strongly prefer that this utility was included in the base system. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no
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