Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:15:29 -0500 From: "Kutulu" <kutulu@kutulu.org> To: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: home pc use Message-ID: <02b501c171de$93484530$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> References: <006901c171b1$f549f760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <012801c171b6$845a9500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <013f01c171c7$6ffcbeb0$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> <002f01c171d0$5e05cfe0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C171B4.A9716F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:33 AM > Kutulu writes: > > > XFree86 actually runs on Windows now (via Cygwin). > > Cygwin sounds like another layer, and one that modifies system files at that. > On that path lies danger. It's actually (in a nutshell) a DLL that provides most of the standard UNIX system calls that Windows lacks, allowing programs written for UNIX-like systems to be ported to Windows with much less code change. > > * There is only one Win32 X server, which uses > > DirectX. > > I run NT 4.0, which does not support DirectX (at least not any recent version of > it). It does run on NT 4.0, so there must be a non-DX version of it. > I don't really see why an X Server needs DirectX, anyway. DirectX is for games. Completely off topic, but. DirectX is for graphics. It does the same thing for video hardware that the Windows printer API does for printing, or multimedia API does for soundcards. It allows developers to write *fast* graphical applications, that take advantage of high-end video hardware, without knowing anything about the hardware. One of the major downfalls of XFree86 on Linux/BSD, in my opinion, is that it still falls short of Windows in terms of graphical hardware support. (I understand that XFree86 4 goes quite a long way to closing this gap, but I have no personal experience there.) You need to compile and configure an X server to match your graphics card and monitor, and that assumes someone has written the video driver code to do so. The Win32 server can use the DirectX video drivers to provide full video support for the hardware, as long as it has DirectX drivers. Of course, this is sort of a chicken/egg problem: Windows has more users, so OEMs provide Windows drivers first, so Windows has better hardware support, so it gets more users, etc etc. > > And I still haven't figured out how to get it > > to use XDMCP the way XWin32 does. > > What is XWin32? Is it any good? What does it cost? All I've been able to find > is ServerX and eXceed, both of which are dramatically overpriced (perhaps they > are subsidiaries of Quark). MicroImage makes a free server, but it faults > instantly as soon as I try to open a window. XWin32 is a very nice Win32 server, that supports one feature of the X system that I didn't find in other products. It can log into a remote system running xdm (or clone) via XDMCP. The means you can connect to, log into, and run applications on the remote system without having to fire off a shell first and start any window managers. Unfortunately, XWin32 runs about $250 for a single user lisence. I haven't figured out how to do the same in XFree86 yet, but I also didn't try very hard, as I now prefer to tunnel X stuff through my ssh session. --K ------=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C171B4.A9716F00 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII3jCCAnww ggHloAMCAQICAwW08DANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQIFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdl c3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsT FENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAw MC44LjMwMB4XDTAxMDkyMjE0MDAxOFoXDTAyMDkyMjE0MDAxOFowQzEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3Rl IEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRa3V0dWx1QGt1dHVsdS5vcmcwgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBALuDdLgCHJxCJguCs8IK+K4Fic2MZAbW1CVoIPV1qU/ez9TI z5Yv4XRDskBUZxFogDSDdYPEGCbNB8Tp7TjwD+n2zAuIuapRMySbs7zQYef/fBd01rqRBmi/A9/v bPOuKHqOAvbMqWMH2D9hjCH2d3R8cJIoCglhEtyyxm9rOee5AgMBAAGjLjAsMBwGA1UdEQQVMBOB EWt1dHVsdUBrdXR1bHUub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQECBQADgYEAlJ1wNCdT DYnUEQV9rBeSbJ8lJ1yxSHxwosdb8UzkD3H6AfRJBQQQ/qAIWh9ODW2UjMH5el3RgaZAbPUheG56 bPcKEdb+pGInFz8Rf0Baent6D3OLrvVT1wrJ+qeYuf61DHIAuorD/ZFeN8v3wLtyuuHRkPZmn/1b JgLc4S2qImIwggMpMIICkqADAgECAgEMMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEV MBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0 ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQw IgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNv bmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDAwODMwMDAwMDAwWhcNMDIwODI5MjM1OTU5WjCB kjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3du MQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQD Ex9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCB iQKBgQDeMzKmY8cJJUU+0m54J2eBxdqIGYKXDuNEKYpjNSptcDz63K737nRvMLwzkH/5NHGgo22Y 8cNPomXbDfpL8dbdYaX5hc1VmjUanZJ1qCeu2HL5ugL217CR3hzpq+AYA6h8Q0JQUYeDPPA5tJtU ihOH/7ObnUlmAC0JieyUa+mhaQIDAQABo04wTDApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJp dmF0ZUxhYmVsMS0yOTcwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEEBQADgYEAcxtvJmWL/xU0S1liiu1EvknH6A27j7kNaiYqYoQfuIdjdBxtt88aU5FL4c3mONnt UPQ6bDSSrOaSnG7BIwHCCafvS65y3QZn9VBvLli4tgvBUFe17BzX7xe21Yibt6KIGu05Wzl9NPy2 lhglTWr0ncXDkS+plrgFPFL83eliA0gwggMtMIIClqADAgECAgEAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHR MQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24x GjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZp Y2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNOTYwMTAxMDAwMDAwWhcN MjAxMjMxMjM1OTU5WjCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAG A1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2Vy dGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMIGf MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDUadfUsJRkW3HpR9gMUbbqcpGwhF59LQ2PexLfhSV1 KHQ6QixjJ5+Ve0vvfhmHHYbqo925zpZkGsIUbkSsfOaP6E0PcR9AOKYAo4d49vmUhl6t6sBeduvZ FKNdbnp8DKVLVX8GGSl/npom1Wq7OCQIapjHsdqjmJH9edvlWsQcuQIDAQABoxMwETAPBgNVHRMB Af8EBTADAQH/MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAMfskn5O+PWWpWdiKqTwTRFg0G+NYFhhrCa7UjVc CM8w+6hKloofYkIjjBcP9LpknBesRynfnZhe0mxgcVyirNx54+duAEcftQ0o6AKd5Jr9E/Sm2Xyx +NxfIyYJkYBz0BQb3kOpgyXy5pwvFcr+pquKB3WLDN1RhGvk+NHOd6KBMYIB/jCCAfoCAQEwgZow gZIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93 bjEPMA0GA1UEChMGVGhhd3RlMR0wGwYDVQQLExRDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczEoMCYGA1UE AxMfUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgUlNBIDIwMDAuOC4zMAIDBbTwMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCggbowGAYJ KoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDExMTIwMTYxNTI5WjAjBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUhUW55fVQMoj9yuWxDc+b5uRFgRMwWwYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMU4wTDAKBggqhkiG 9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwIC ASgwBwYFKw4DAh0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEgYAh76rt5j63bZKimswj082/PIDP3sttohK+B/gy ZEsQR2rxPJKsY52RozuK5hk1qbmqTigiUlE8AX5XEiyMuelR74wTj/BC8QAR3IgQktcS2Nbo46tv CJHGp/+xqOloGeKIMRHUL1LXF2ktDG5oErxb9GzAjcnVbLEz6nnjWJcxGAAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C171B4.A9716F00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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