Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:15:29 -0500 From: "Kutulu" <kutulu@kutulu.org> To: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: home pc use Message-ID: <02b501c171de$93484530$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> References: <006901c171b1$f549f760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <012801c171b6$845a9500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <013f01c171c7$6ffcbeb0$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> <002f01c171d0$5e05cfe0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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From: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:33 AM
> Kutulu writes:
>
> > XFree86 actually runs on Windows now (via Cygwin).
>
> Cygwin sounds like another layer, and one that modifies system files at
that.
> On that path lies danger.
It's actually (in a nutshell) a DLL that provides most of the standard UNIX
system calls that Windows lacks, allowing programs written for UNIX-like
systems to be ported to Windows with much less code change.
> > * There is only one Win32 X server, which uses
> > DirectX.
>
> I run NT 4.0, which does not support DirectX (at least not any recent
version of
> it).
It does run on NT 4.0, so there must be a non-DX version of it.
> I don't really see why an X Server needs DirectX, anyway. DirectX is for
games.
Completely off topic, but. DirectX is for graphics. It does the same thing
for video hardware that the Windows printer API does for printing, or
multimedia API does for soundcards. It allows developers to write *fast*
graphical applications, that take advantage of high-end video hardware,
without knowing anything about the hardware. One of the major downfalls of
XFree86 on Linux/BSD, in my opinion, is that it still falls short of Windows
in terms of graphical hardware support. (I understand that XFree86 4 goes
quite a long way to closing this gap, but I have no personal experience
there.) You need to compile and configure an X server to match your
graphics card and monitor, and that assumes someone has written the video
driver code to do so. The Win32 server can use the DirectX video drivers to
provide full video support for the hardware, as long as it has DirectX
drivers. Of course, this is sort of a chicken/egg problem: Windows has more
users, so OEMs provide Windows drivers first, so Windows has better hardware
support, so it gets more users, etc etc.
> > And I still haven't figured out how to get it
> > to use XDMCP the way XWin32 does.
>
> What is XWin32? Is it any good? What does it cost? All I've been able
to find
> is ServerX and eXceed, both of which are dramatically overpriced (perhaps
they
> are subsidiaries of Quark). MicroImage makes a free server, but it faults
> instantly as soon as I try to open a window.
XWin32 is a very nice Win32 server, that supports one feature of the X
system that I didn't find in other products. It can log into a remote
system running xdm (or clone) via XDMCP. The means you can connect to, log
into, and run applications on the remote system without having to fire off a
shell first and start any window managers. Unfortunately, XWin32 runs about
$250 for a single user lisence. I haven't figured out how to do the same in
XFree86 yet, but I also didn't try very hard, as I now prefer to tunnel X
stuff through my ssh session.
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