Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:23:39 -0400 From: Matt Garber <matt.garber@gmail.com> To: Bill Sorenson <instructionset@gmail.com> Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, Mel Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com>, core@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins. Message-ID: <CANwXMPM08L_907O6he8g9UCV4Pf3QyCLEbeVF8YPN6sFocKajQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CACcTwYn1PegBWYY9wQ_h9Nh4vV7PXu949yiSB_PkO3BpV0ZrUA@mail.gmail.com> References: <201905151425.x4FEPNqk065975@fire.js.berklix.net> <e8125e97-6308-5ad0-b850-6825069683d4@bluerosetech.com> <CACcTwYkr55Vxx-jk7uyhppT0LBxfKYDEzTxmhJLL-Se7EJVAew@mail.gmail.com> <CANwXMPMyi96hFx-joD-ReZGYWO_P5KcRZnBu2C2j9QfJ-g1t_A@mail.gmail.com> <CACcTwYn1PegBWYY9wQ_h9Nh4vV7PXu949yiSB_PkO3BpV0ZrUA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:15 PM Bill Sorenson <instructionset@gmail.com> wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m not sure what you meant about Linux distros not categorizin= g fixes, > though =E2=80=94 with some notable exceptions, most of the big ones certa= inly tag > security fixes >separately, which is what allows `unattended-upgrades` on > Debian/Ubuntu based systems (and `yum-cron` on RHEL) to work so nicely > automatically as scheduled on > *only* security errata, while leaving all > other types of updates alone for admin intervention. > > My comment about Linux was not in regards to any particular distro, they > all > have interesting policies of varying effectiveness when it comes to relea= se > engineering, but specifically about the Linux kernel team (Torvalds Et al= ,) > which last I checked had a policy of specifically not handling security > issues > any different from any generic bug. Distros may do their own kernel relea= se > engineering and handling that themselves which is fine. Understood, yep, that historical stance in the kernel itself has really sucked and does no one any favors with =E2=80=98everything is just a bug.= =E2=80=99 Thankfully the kernel self-protection project has made some significant strides in that area, even if the overall security attitude of maintainers has been slower to positive change than would be ideal. =E2=80=94 Matt
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