Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:50:35 -0700 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> To: Licia <licia@o-o.org> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Message-ID: <19990205105035.A5525@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902050921180.18822-100000@o-o.org>; from Licia on Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 09:31:52AM -0600 References: <36BA340E.BFE4E9B5@softweyr.com> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902050921180.18822-100000@o-o.org>
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On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 09:31:52AM -0600, Licia wrote:
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Wes Peters wrote:
> > Licia wrote:
> > > I tend to lurk so much primarily because I've had enough extremely
> > > unpleasant experiences regarding technical material in other forums (IRC for
> > > example) to make me very leary of exposing myself to such behavior again.
> >
> > Ugh, IRC. I gave that up about 4 months after it started; it became
> > painfully aware that it was just an extension of the Compu$serve "cb
> > channels," with about the same level of maturity. And this was in
> > 1994 -- I don't even want to imagine how much worse it is now. ;^)
>
> I've left off and on but usually returned in the hopes that I could find a
> group of intelligent, mature people to chat with. I've since given up hope
> and discontinued my use of IRC and have gone so far as to remove all my IRC
> software.
>
> I now spend the majority of my online time on my own telnet BBS, where I can
> be assured that spam, trolls, etc, simply will not be accepted. :)
>
> > > The result is I tend not to make comments in the technical lists, unless it's
> > > something I feel fairly sure I will not be maltreated over.
> >
> > You need an attitude adjustment - who's to say the opinion of the idiot
> > at the other end of the socket connection has any validity AT ALL, let
> > alone more validity than yours?
>
> Oh, that's not how I feel at all. I've been programming since I was 10 years
> old (that's 18 years for those who are counting :) ) and I'm fairly confident
That's nearly as many as me, but I didn't start quite so young.
Why, when I was a kid, computers were as big as a house... ;^)
(Actually the PDP-11 was just coming out when I was 10.)
> about my skills and I take the time to reason out my opinions and ideas. I
> tend to lurk to avoid abuse.
I wondered about that, since your contributions to -advocacy have always
seemed confident, and you haven't seemed to shy away from differences in
opinion. I agree with Don Wilde, all opinions are welcomed as long as
stated politely, and opinions will necessarily differ. If they didn't,
we'd never accomplish anything here.
> If I am confident that something I'm considering saying will not result in
> more abuse than I feel the issue is worth, I post. If not, I don't. I post
> as much as I do on advocacy, simply because I feel strongly about what needs
> to be done in these areas, and I've discovered that I quite enjoy the work
> involved.
Great. Now write some articles somewhere. You're obviously a good writer,
and FreeBSD needs your help. Can you write for Daemon News? An occasional
article would be great, a regular column (or contributing to one of our
existing columns) would be even better.
> (for those who are counting, I have given away my entire original order of
> 1,250 FreeBSD pens and re-ordered! :) )
What do I have to do to get one? Order my own and give away the rest?
Those would be great for user group meetings, wouldn't they?
> I have noticed that the lists are much less prone to that type of behavior
> than IRC, but old habits die hard, and it will be a while I am sure before I
> am completely comfortable with things. Additionally, I am a bit more active
> on the FreeBSD Applications Developer mailing list. If someone posts on
> there, I most likely -will- reply to them, as applications are currently my
> main area of interest.
That'd make a nice column for Daemon News. ;^)
--
"Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"
Wes Peters Softweyr LLC
http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com
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