Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 18:04:12 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> To: Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> Cc: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, cperciva@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disallowing 'make installworld' with pkgbase Message-ID: <20251010180412.60ba4113ea116ac6f0a49f7f@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <ebb10c37-edea-408b-af5c-986f930e260e@klop.ws> References: <aOMjZdiJk5RisKyI@amaryllis.le-fay.org> <20251006221544.613E19E@slippy.cwsent.com> <ebb10c37-edea-408b-af5c-986f930e260e@klop.ws>
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 10:48:33 +0200
Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> wrote:
> Op 07-10-2025 om 00:15 schreef Cy Schubert:
> > In message <aOMjZdiJk5RisKyI@amaryllis.le-fay.org>, Lexi Winter writes:
> >>
> >> --E6aI5jKH+dHsJ3L/
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> >>
> >> hello,
> >>
> >> in 15.0 we will ship pkgbase as an alternative to the dist sets for base
> >> system installation. pkgbase is entirely optional and for at least 15.0,
> >> we will continue to support dist set installation with freebsd-update.
> >>
> >> the traditional source update method, using make buildworld installworld,
> >> will be supported indefinitely and there are no plans to remove this even
> >> after dist sets and freebsd-update are dropped.
> >>
> >> however, while both update methods will be supported individually, they
> >> cannot be used together, i.e., if you installed the system with pkgbase,
> >> you should not attempt to update it using "make installworld" because
> >> this will cause the installed system to become out of sync with the
> >> pkg(8) database.
> >>
> >> instead, you have two options: update with "make buildworld packages"
> >> and pkg-upgrade(8), or depkgbasify the system and then update using
> >> make installworld as usual. either of those options is fully supported,
> >> but you have to choose one of them to avoid breaking your system later.
> >>
> >> (the procedure to "depkgbasify the system" is not entirely clear yet,
> >> but we will need something like this at least for 16.0, so there will
> >> be some way to do that.)
> >>
> >> all of this preamble is to be as clear as possible that the review i'm
> >> about to link is *not* about removing support for 'make installworld'
> >> (we aren't going to do that) and does not prevent you from doing anything
> >> you currently do. with that in mind, i would like to land this for 15.0:
> >>
> >> "Makefile: Don't allow install{world,kernel} with pkgbase"
> >> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52879
> >>
> >> the point of this change is to avoid the situation where a user installs
> >> 15.0 with pkgbase, then tries to upgrade using 'make installworld' out
> >> of habit, not realising that this will break their system. users who
> >> are really sure they want to do this still can using DESTDIR=/, and
> >> users who don't use pkgbase are completely unaffected by this change.
> >>
> >> so, if anyone has an objection to this change, please say so.
> >
> > How would one go about installing a new system from ISO. Then proceed to
> > maintain it using installworld if the only supported new install is pkgbase?
> >
> > Second question: How would one go about converting an existing system to
> > pkgbase?
> >
> >
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I read about pkgbasify.
> https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify
>
> Ironically I can't find it in the ports tree.
>
> Regards,
> Ronald.
Hi.
IMHO, shouldn't it contained in base (i.e., /usr/sbin/pkgbasify),
rather than in ports?
Regards.
--
Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
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