Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:14:14 -0700 From: Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org> To: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, 'freebsd-arch' <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Retiring in-tree GDB Message-ID: <5626BCB6.3000202@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20151020215008.GH42243@zxy.spb.ru> References: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <20151020215008.GH42243@zxy.spb.ru>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --j4BaDNiI86ramj2xlUVT5AdXO2oOve0Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/20/2015 2:50 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 02:25:48PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: >=20 >> On 10/20/2015 1:36 PM, John Baldwin wrote: >>> However, I would like to propose that we retire the in-tree GDB for s= ome of >>> our platforms (namely x86) for 11. In particular, I think we should = default >> >> Disabling/removing gdb. Definitely. It is unusable in many cases and t= he >> working gdb is just a 'pkg install' away. >> >>> to enabling lldb and disabling gdb for platforms that meet the follow= ing >> >> Why should we include lldb in the base system? It is not needed to bui= ld >> or use the system and we can easily provide one from packages. >> >> Arguments about providing a default working system don't work here for= >> me as we don't provide perl, python, valgrind, vim, emacs, X11, etc. = We >> can provide lldb and gdb on the default DVD though. >> >> If we are actually going to "package base" in 11, we should not be >> adding new things into base that can easily live in ports. Yes, I know= >> lldb is already there but I don't think it should be. >> >> Can the same be said for tools such as truss, ktrace or nvi? Sure. The= >> discussion is really "what packages should be installed by default". >> The answer should be "what all, or most, users _need_" Do most users >> need a debugger? I don't think so. >=20 > When you need debuger you may don't have way to install it. >=20 How did you get a system? DVD? 'pkg add /mnt/cd/packages/gdb.txz' Network? 'pkg install gdb' Fetching the packages to a USB drive from another system works too using 'pkg fetch -o'. --=20 Regards, Bryan Drewery --j4BaDNiI86ramj2xlUVT5AdXO2oOve0Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWJry2AAoJEDXXcbtuRpfPTgkH/jqbtmYao+hqx0kZhZykvq1W 66zBHzSNUXzpj7yIJeYXY37SFsOvsU7tJRCf0VwBiZPCnAqkj9KAsQ/Ld7xOmlBz bPcR+YOjfvG2FP4YEepk3iAM0Qa4RJGgAnF2wsnfbJNEs8qLp8PDe6D8UtmKCtKb e/nTLUEKR3h+GNQRgDj6OUwX7k40+dB7l2Qfz3SW0uUf5l32EBNmRMoIcRpIJI43 V+4PkFyWrO6Wss2erjSPpNbUsyZRDrubV3Tz2LIyAQuictU6JMnnME/lQ24X8Sgy /R+FbVrk3Af9KDeWlB5qDXYwwWd4a7jvRQzUDwzVlzVcr32c95tnwni3lmv0w0U= =VWoH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --j4BaDNiI86ramj2xlUVT5AdXO2oOve0Wi--
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