Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:11:36 -0500 From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org> To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> Cc: Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Dominic Fandrey <kamikaze@bsdforen.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community Message-ID: <4786C248.1030503@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <47861705.2030609@gmail.com> References: <89916.1199966906@critter.freebsd.dk> <47861705.2030609@gmail.com>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 redirected to -chat. Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <4786058F.8080101@gmail.com>, "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> writes: > >>>> We need more licenses like we need a 3rd or 4th leg. What is >>>> wrong with the standard BSD license please? >>> I decided to elaborate slightly on the previous reply.... >> I am fully with Wilko here. > >> We don't need to change the license or use any other means to beat >> our users over the head. > >> We need them to understand the problem, and act as intelligent >> human beings. > >> A lot of our users do this. We have many crucial FreeBSD >> developers employed at companies which understand that developer >> support is key to FreeBSDs future. > >> We just need more of that. You know, there's more than one way to see that. I clearly recall being elated, at first, when I was first employed to do FreeBSD kernel work. I did that, and a bunch of daemon work, and (like I often do, for work) I got heavily into it, nearly to the exclusion of all available hobby time (I really do like messing with computers). You know what happened? I found I had no time left, at all, for hobby FreeBSD work and I even left the mailing lists. I didn't leave FreeBSD work, but as far as you folks were concerned, I might as well have. As far as I'm concerned, I think that getting employed to do FreeBSD work is one great way to stop doing hobby computing. Am I alone in this? And beyond that, the work I was doing was stuff that the FreeBSD community wouldn't have been terribly interested in. Yes, the company could have showed a touch more *give back to the community* sort of actions, but they wren['t really the reason that I left FreeBSD; I was. Am I alone in this? > > We also need to have better avenues for people who want to contribute > but do not have the economic means to subsidize there work from some > large company, gov. agency and/or university... i.e. there is no room > for independent people to contribute on a full time basis... > > As I said in an other message this is not about saying the current has > anything wrong with it, just that it can be improved. > > Volunteer efforts are great and I fully support them (such as my work > on ports 2.0) but the larger they grow the harder it gets to do it all > volunteer (every large non-profit has paid full-time employees after > all)... to paraphrase an other organization I am involved in we should > "be completely self supporting through our own ....contributions"... > this includes more then just service it includes supporting those who > do such service... > > BTW as to the single sentence that would recitify this in the bsd > license it would be something as simple as: > > "Execution of covered work in any form may be conditioned to > payment fees (if any) and/or performing work in kind detailed at > http://......". > > The "(if any)" wording is important because the licensor (FreeBSD) > can elect to charge nothing but require work in kind for example. > The actual amount of the fee and or works can be very small for such a > large project like FreeBSD (less then $5/year) to make it 100% self > supporting [no donations needed]. > > _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhsJIz62J6PPcoOkRAlnXAJ0expXdjt239MtUKyh+HYxS1Df67QCeJ4Qr MEY8DMk2LaYeiX68hmp2EjE= =U9Oh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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