Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:50:43 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net> To: Majid Almassari <majid@ibroadcast.net> Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Fw: Certifications Message-ID: <20000301095043.V21720@fw.wintelcom.net> In-Reply-To: <008f01bf839e$d404d0a0$42b6ded0@ibroadcast.net>; from majid@ibroadcast.net on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 08:54:36AM -0800 References: <008f01bf839e$d404d0a0$42b6ded0@ibroadcast.net>
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Please take the time to format your mail a bit better before sending, I almost nuked this because it looked like you hit the wrong button/key in your mailer... anyhow: I've said this before about FreeBSD certification, until such a thing actually exists using these reasources ought to help: List of active FreeBSD developers: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff.html List of contributors past and present: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/contrib.html You can also grep the commitlogs for the person's name. The active developers are pretty good at giving credit where credit is due. You may also want to search the mailing lists giving the person's last couple of _months_ emails a review. We were all newbies at one time or another so digging too far isn't really fair, although it can be amusing. Actions speak louder than certificates, and doing this gives you an honest chance to check out your candidate rather than allowing a third party to set your standards for whom you employ. :) There's also the interview process, you can determine pretty early on if the person is a good FreeBSD admin just by asking questions about gathering crashdumps, enabling certain options, compiling kernels and common solutions to common problems (raising maxusers/nmbclusters/whatever). -Alfred * Majid Almassari <majid@ibroadcast.net> [000301 09:35] wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Majid Almassari <majid@ibroadcast.net> > To: Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>; John Flowers <John.Flowers@botcc.com> > Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:50 AM > Subject: Re: Certifications > > > > That is nice and dandy but what is your prove that you went crazy and dove > > with both heads and feet? I do admit that there exist paper certified > > "professionals" but when I hire some one I need that certification "that > > piece of paper is important because it shows me the minimum knowledge > level > > needed" also I see some professionals talk about paper certified > > professionals like it was the dominant situation. They do exist but they > are > > not dominant, in the contrary of professionals who did XX numbers of years > > of experience with no certifications and simply stunned on a basic > concept, > > Iv seen some head scratch when it comes to the basics and Iv seen some > > professionals who are scared to death to loss their job or miss a > promotion > > because someone with a certification beats them to it? so what is the > excuse > > for these veterans, blame it on Paper Certifications some of the "paper > > certification" claims are raisin from fear of competition and jealousy. > > Quite frankly I know some professionals preparing for the RedHat Exams > (lack > > of FreeBSD one) and they been practicing UNIX for years so when they get > > certified I won't say they are paper certified, they work day and night > > around RedHat and they study hard to get the certifications. I would hope > > one of these days some certification exists for FreeBSD what the heck I > > might start one, with a text already out like the Complete FreeBSD by Greg > > Lehay. So lets put this "paper certification" claim in prospective please? > > > > > > -- > > Majid Almassari, MSEE, MCP. > > Systems Administrator > > iBroadcast, Inc. > > http://www.ibroadcast.com > > Email: majid@ibroadcast.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net> > > To: John Flowers <John.Flowers@botcc.com> > > Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:04 AM > > Subject: Re: Certifications > > > > > > > > > > Frmo my own experience in computer land - and from the hair loss Ive > > > suffered hiring computer staff, the best way to learn ANYTHING is to > jump > > > in and get crasy. > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, John Flowers wrote: > > > > > > > My mistake. really what I probably should have asked what is the best > > way to > > > > learn FreeBSD. Through classes or as I am doing now, in the trenches > > > > grinding my way through? I do know many of those " Paper Certified" > > > > administrators, so I understand. Well back to the trenches I go. > > Before I > > > > go another question. I am building my FreeBSD workstation from the > > ground > > > > up. Does anyone have any suggestions for the board to use. and what > > > > processor would be best Intel or should I go towards the Alpha. I > have > > been > > > > leaning towards an asus P2B-S, or ASUS P3C-S for a motherboard, with a > > > > Pentium 3. I am still researching the Alpha. > > > > > > > > thanks again, > > > > > > > > John Flowers > > > > > > > > Steve Hovey wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, John Flowers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do I go to find classes to be certified in FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Short answer, there aren't any. Longer answer, it wouldn't > > mean > > > > > > anything even if there were. > > > > > > > > > > You are making that smart person mistake - those of us in the > trenches > > > > > realise that certification courses are waste (Ive known several > > certified > > > > > stupid people) - BUT business is a game, and non-techie managers > need > > > > > something to go by to feel they are making a good hire choice, and > > > > > unfortunately buy into the cert thing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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