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Date:      Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:38:29 +0100
From:      Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser@bellavista.cz>
To:        Adam Weinberger <adamw@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Derrick Ryalls <ryallsd@datasphereweb.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Going from Windows to X - suggestions
Message-ID:  <20021218103829.GC45336@freepuppy.bellavista.cz>
In-Reply-To: <20021218021835.GB311@vectors.cx>
References:  <007c01c2a637$90c002b0$0200a8c0@bartxp> <20021218021835.GB311@vectors.cx>

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# adamw@FreeBSD.ORG / 2002-12-17 18:18:35 -0800:
> >> (12.17.2002 @ 1748 PST): Derrick Ryalls said, in 0.8K: <<
> > I have been using FreeBSD as a server via console for a while now, but I
> > wanted to see what the GUI was like.  My only spare machine right now is
> > a P-300 w/ about 16meg ram, so I won't be screaming along, but I wanted
> > to start the process anyway.  I was looking through the ports, and I see
> > a ton of options.
> > 
> > What I am looking for is something simple to start with.  I figure a
> > file manager of some sort, a web browser, and text editor for doing
> > development work if I ever get to that point.
> > 
> > I know I am being really vague, but there are so many options, I wanted
> > to hear some recommendations.  Right now, I am thinking about going with
> > KDE3 as I have heard the name before.
> >> end of "Going from Windows to X - suggestions" from Derrick Ryalls <<
> 
> Install KDE and/or gnome. Your call.
> 
> kde3:
> cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3; make install clean
> 
> gnome2:
> cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2; make install clean
> cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2-fifth-toe; make install clean

    erm, KDE or Gnome in 16MB RAM? ahem...

    Derrick, you'll want something lighter. KDE or Gnome is not really
    needed: I survived the switch straight from W2k to AfterStep (which
    I quickly left behind, but that's another story), and if such a
    lamer I am hasn't dropped dead neither will you.

    you have one fundamental problem: you won't want to build ports on
    that slow box, but packages are often compiled with the kitchen sink
    option turned on, which makes them somewhat bigger and slower.

    My recommendations:

    window manager: OpenBox. Light, fast, supports the NETWM hints.
    terminal: rxvt. not as fancy as xterm, but half the size.
    web browser: w3m. IMO the best text only browser.
    text editor: vim. this may be pretty hard for a beginner, but the
    help is really extensive, and you can practise in windows!

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