Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:00:14 -0800 From: Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> To: Roman Kurakin <rik@inse.ru> Cc: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, Max Khon <fjoe@samodelkin.net>, Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@acm.org>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base Message-ID: <CAN6yY1tVPLSeayL96Z2Zhz2dRUwryVKukkD5Lp8Q7-GOQNsTUw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> References: <CADe0-4kEJsj5pe6h4ZVPGg-hFEjE7oC4Ya8VO7sdW9W3WZiajg@mail.gmail.com> <20111202115446.GB25963@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <CADe0-4=8z%2BpFAem83xMkYXYZCgCt9r_tX64he5Vx95OkAJqtFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmonQQ-yHrDox35gpuaXXYV5j%2BUXOJH5jr93m3j=uBgbkWA@mail.gmail.com> <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru>
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Roman Kurakin <rik@inse.ru> wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: >> >> [...] >> The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no >> matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. >> >> This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the >> majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it must be the >> default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as part of the >> overall operating SYSTEM. >> > > You are right in general, except one small factor. We are talking about > bootstrap. > CVS is used by many as the one of the ways to get the sources to the freshly > installed system to recompile to the last available source. It will become > inconvenient > to do it through the process of installing some ports for that. Especially > if corresponding > ports would require some other ports as dependencies. I have to agree with Roman. It's simply far too early to think of removing cvs from the base OS. If we can come up with a way to replace the functionality of csup with svn under it, that would be great, but it may be a long time coming. Until it does, cvs needs to remain with all of the awkwardness of maintaining cvs when the actual source of truth is in svn. The time will hopefully come, but I don't see it in the 10.0 time frame. OTOH, I can see Doug's argument. I'm sure that, even when no real need exists for CVS in the base, I imagine there will be loud objections to its removal, though I suspect Doug's comments were largely spawned by the debate on the default setting for building profile libraries. (And, IMHO, Doug is right on that one.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com
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