Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> To: Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org>, Pawel Jakub Dawidek <pjd@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r344316 - head/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs Message-ID: <201902201711.x1KHBeiQ016158@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <1235DF70-2954-4421-9CF3-AA0538B24720@gmail.com>
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> > On Feb 19, 2019, at 23:56, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:43:28PM -0500, Shawn Webb wrote: > >> At the risk of painting a bikeshed a lovely color of neon purple, I'm > >> curious about if/how these types of commits get merged upstream to > >> (OpenZFS|Illumos|ZFS On Linux|where ever ZFS upstream is now|I'm very > >> confused|is anyone else confused where upstream is?). > >> > >> Who is upstream? Is work like this going to remain as a downstream > >> patch to ZFS? Or is FreeBSD going to work to upstream this type of > >> work? > > > > I've always felt that we should've become upstream to everyone else > > the moment we knew Oracle would eat Sun (20 April 2009), and never > > understood why it didn't happen and now, ten years later, we're talking > > about ZFS on fucking Linux becoming our upstream. Something'd got very > > wrong here and I'd like to know what and why. > > As others have pointed out, FreeBSD has less developer inertia than Linux, > and there are (seemingly) less developers or interested parties in running > an openindiana based stack. > > Also: better OS support for other general purpose infrastructure/usecases > with items like multitenancy via containerization/CGroups2, Java, etc, > and mindshare around this and other things. > > The only thing really holding ZoL back in Linux is the fact that (due > to licensing) it won?t ever be in the Linux kernel. One can personally link ZoL into your own kernel, and a company/corporate can even do this and run it on 1000's of servers, you just can not distribute it to anyone else, which in the end is not really a big deal, unless your in the Linux distribution business. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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