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Date:      Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:33:23 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
To:        Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: bsd.lib.mk "@"'s
Message-ID:  <199906071933.NAA08776@mt.sri.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906071523580.679-100000@picnic.mat.net>
References:  <199906071921.NAA08649@mt.sri.com> <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906071523580.679-100000@picnic.mat.net>

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> > > Who's worried about signal to noise there?
> > 
> > I am, if I'm the developer trying to debug a user's problem.  Wading
> > through 1-2M of logfiles to find a problem is much less likely than me
> > wading through 100-200K of logfiles.
> 
> Wait a second.  bsd.lib.mk is for our buildworld, right?

It's for building source files in the source tree.  Buildworld is *ONE*
time that we build sources, but certainly not the only time it's used.

> If you're hijacking it for customers, that's fine, but it's for
> buildworld for FreeBSD, not for everyone's customers.

What *are* you talking about?  'buildworld' is a FreeBSD'izm, and
bsd.lib.mk predates it.  bsd.lib.mk is part of all of the *BSD's, so
equating /usr/share/mk/*.mk as only needed for 'world' building is an
incorrect assumption.

I have no 'FreeBSD' customers, so any assumptions you want to make about
me using FreeBSD as a platform other than as a personal development
platform are incorrect.

> When you get to the problem, you want to know why it broke.

And 99/100 (heck, I'd go 99.999999/100) the problem will not require the
output of the '@' commands, so adding their output to the logfile only
serves to create un-necessary noise and potentially confuse the users.



Nate


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