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Date:      Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:11:51 -0500 (EST)
From:      Bill Vermillion <bill@bilver.oau.org>
To:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Power
Message-ID:  <199711152011.PAA27444@bilver.oau.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95q.971115130536.14527A-100000@wopr.inetu.net> from Dev Chanchani at "Nov 15, 97 01:13:36 pm"

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Recently Dev Chanchani said:

> We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's
> would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a
> credit card and bought a Craftsman generator.
> 
> My lesson in power began :)
...
> We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's
> and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge
> protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards.

Typically you should run the UPS'es directly from the AC and not
through a surge protector.    That's an awfully long run for extension
cords.  You'd be better off getting the building wired correctly.

We
> ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into
> the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between
> generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as
> follows:

> 1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator

I'd forget the Surge protector in the middle.

> 2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power setup
> of new servers and racks.

Make sure real power is delivered as close as possible to the servers
and the UPS.

> 3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)?

I haven't seen chart like that recently.  Best systems had some
extensive charts/recommendations.   They have units with extra battery
packs, up through units with small to large generator systems.

> 4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because the
> generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc?

You probably had poor regulation on the generator.   Years ago when I
worked in broadcast, we'd go to emergenecy power for 1 hour once each
week to make sure things were OK.   The generator there was a V8 Ford
and put out about 10KW.   That was some of the most miserable power
I've seen.  It had a hard time keeping 60cyles, and the clocks would be
off by about 5 minutes at the end of an hour.

You need to investigate generators that are designed for this, not the
generators used for emergency lighting/camping.

> If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and information
> would be greatly appreciated.

Here's a neat way to get cheap UPSes - if you're lucky.

The place I do some work for has a hardware scrounger person - he loves
bargains.  He frequents local auction, and surplus sales.

About 3 months ago he paid $300 for a UPS with no batteries - and we
started looking for batteries - about $1500 - but not bad for a 
30,000Watt Leibert.    Three weeks ago he picked up a 50,000 WATT
Leibert for $500 - that comes out to 1 cent/watt.    I figure we will
get about 4 days minimum (more if  we  watch it) which will keep us up
for most outages.   The ISP's in Miami were down for about 3 days when
Andrew came through.  Here in Central Florida I was without power in my
house for 3.5 days after a storm decided to put all the trees it could
find on power lines.  (we had to rent a truck to move the UPS - it
weighed about 2000 pounds so it won't help if you're not on a ground
floor).

But for starters keep the surge suppresors out of the lines.  The UPS
takes care of that.








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