Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:14:32 -0800 From: "Dan O'Connor" <dan@mostgraveconcern.com> To: "UCTC Sysadmin" <ecsd@transbay.net> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Not Receiving MSN email.... Message-ID: <01ce01c090cd$3d38c540$029b140a@danco>
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Speaking of spam, why did this personal e-mail get cc'd to all these
addresses?
support@transbay.net; postmaster@msn.com; abuse@msn.com;
fraud@ftc.gov; rbl@mail-abuse.org; abuse@uu.net; paul@vix.com;
abuse@above.net; dlr@bungi.com; postmaster@boardwatch.com;
postmaster@freshmeat.net; jgrosch@mooseriver.com;
questions@FreeBSD.ORG; sales@uu.net; info@uu.net;
support@transbay.net
I don't know about the others, but "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" is an e-mail list
with thousands of members.
Think about it....
--Dan
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Dan O'Connor
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-----Original Message-----
From: UCTC Sysadmin <ecsd@transbay.net>
To: Scott Reese <sreese@codysbooks.com>
Cc: support@transbay.net <support@transbay.net>; postmaster@msn.com
<postmaster@msn.com>; abuse@msn.com <abuse@msn.com>; fraud@ftc.gov
<fraud@ftc.gov>; rbl@mail-abuse.org <rbl@mail-abuse.org>; abuse@uu.net
<abuse@uu.net>; paul@vix.com <paul@vix.com>; abuse@above.net
<abuse@above.net>; dlr@bungi.com <dlr@bungi.com>; postmaster@boardwatch.com
<postmaster@boardwatch.com>; postmaster@freshmeat.net
<postmaster@freshmeat.net>; jgrosch@mooseriver.com <jgrosch@mooseriver.com>;
questions@FreeBSD.ORG <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; sales@uu.net <sales@uu.net>;
info@uu.net <info@uu.net>; support@transbay.net <support@transbay.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Not Receiving MSN email....
>His mail is coming through a uu.net dialup, lax3.da.uu.net, which
>we are blocking. I have at least three complaints about mail from
>users using services that we block since they don't control their
>spam. I will work on my spam filter to add the capability to allow
>users despite the rest of the domain's mail being blocked.
>
>Meanwhile, if he wants to bother, have him send a complaint to MSN
>to have MSN tell UU.NET to deal with abuse complaints generated
>by other-party ISPs. In english:
>
>Joe ISP has a contract with UU.NET to provide dialup access in LA.
>So does MSN.
>Joe ISP allows his users to spam us.
>We complain to UU.NET.
>UU.NET does nothing (they may forward the complaint to Joe ISP, but ... see
next line.)
>Joe ISP does nothing (his spammers are still happy campers.)
>UU.NET doesn't bother to follow up, so Joe ISP's spammers have free rein.
>We continue to get Joe ISP's users' spam, so we block the specific UU.NET
regional dialup facility.
>MSN users are therefore also blocked.
>
>Because UU.NET NEVER FOLLOWS UP ON COMPLAINTS and because the Joe ISPs
>of this world violate UU.NET's AUP with impunity, MSN users (and we) are
>inconvenienced.
>
>UU.NET is supposed to be a reputable company, but they are too busy making
>money to pay any attention to the grief their inattention causes.
>
>We have complained numerous times to UU.NET (hundreds, literally) and they
>do nothing, and no human from UU.NET ever contacts us. We have complained
>to the FTC, to the RBL, to everyone we can think of whose email address
>we can guess off the top of our heads and nobody does a damned thing.
>
>There is some joker in Panama City, Florida who alone accounts for 25% of
>all spam we trap and trash, who has been spamming for MONTHS with impunity,
>because Earthlink doesn't do a damned thing about them and UU.NET doesn't
>enforce their policies even after I have called them on the phone to
explain
>the situation and ask them to follow up on the complaints they forward to
>Earthlink. Earthlink has done exactly zero (0) about this spammer despite
>their $million dollar TV ad suggestion that they fight spam. Forget 7-up,
>image IS everything.
>
>The RBL could get Earthlink's and UU.NET's attention immediately if they
listed
>Earthlink and/or uu.net in their tables, but they have studiously ignored
>my complaints for reasons of their own which they choose not to share with
me,
>despite my sending them a file containing some 100 trapped-mail headers
>documenting the problem and despite my explicitly asking for feedback, even
if
>they felt they couldn't address the problem.
>
>So maybe if your dad complains to the right person at MSN we might see some
>action on this, but I won't hold my breath. It's left to little ISPs like
>us to defend ourselves and handle the mail because NOBODY, including
multimillion
>dollar access (Earthlink) and transport (uu.net) providers, and enforcement
>agencies (RBL), lifts a finger to stop this rampant abuse. Our users don't
>get the Panama City spam because I wrote a modification of sendmail
explicitly
>to trap such third-party-relayed spam. Unfortunately your dad uses UU.NET
thanks
>to MSN's using them as a transport provider in LA and so his mail is also
trashed.
>I have to do even more work to allow a few "good" users' mail to get
through.
>
>I seriously would make more money going INTO the spam business - obviously
the big
>boys won't bother to stop me. Crime pays thanks to the indifferent.
>
>-ecsd@transbay.net (Eric Dynamic)
>
>Scott Reese wrote:
>>
>> Hi Solitaire,
>>
>> My dad is still having problems emailing me from his msn address.
He can send and receive email from everyone
>> else he corresponds with, so this leads me to believe that there may be a
problem at our end. Here are the headers
>> from a message that he sent to my hotmail account. I hope this helps:
>>
>> From: "monkeya" <monkeya@email.msn.com> Save Address - Block
>> Sender
>> To: "Scott Reese" <*******@hotmail.com> Save Address
>> Subject: Re: Hello
>> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:17:52 -0800
>>
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Received: from [207.46.181.18] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id
>> MHotMailBC497CDD00BC40043113CF2EB51205AF9; Tue Feb 06 09:18:42 2001
>> Received: from oemcomputer ([63.23.78.34] unverified) by
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^ see below
>
>> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.1600); Tue, 6
Feb
>> 2001 09:17:56 -0800
>> From monkeybestia@email.msn.com Tue Feb 06 09:18:51 2001
>> Message-ID: <009001c09060$bf850580$d24d173f@oemcomputer>
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0
>> Return-Path: monkeybestia@email.msn.com
>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 17:17:57.0268 (UTC)
>> FILETIME=[BFA1B540:01C09060]
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>> Scott Reese
>> Internet Sales/Development
>
>
>station36[209] # traceroute 63.23.78.34
>traceroute to 63.23.78.34 (63.23.78.34), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
> 1 cromwell (209.133.53.1) 0.703 ms 0.697 ms 0.624 ms
> 2 ITalkToTheWind (209.133.55.10) 2.894 ms 3.091 ms 5.251 ms
> 3 main-133-88.sjc.above.net (209.133.88.4) 5.175 ms 3.194 ms 2.916 ms
> 4 core5-main1-oc12.sjc1.above.net (208.185.175.249) 3.116 ms 3.043 ms
2.983 ms
> 5 core3-sjc1-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.102.206) 3.030 ms 4.696 ms
5.851 ms
> 6 pao1-sjc2-oc48.pao1.above.net (208.184.233.142) 9.377 ms 17.416 ms *
> 7 POS1-1-0.GW9.PAO1.ALTER.NET (157.130.197.121) 12.633 ms 6.750 ms
3.960 ms
> 8 136.ATM2-0.XR1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.186) 6.660 ms 8.494 ms
7.175 ms
> 9 189.at-2-0-0.TR3.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.48.222) 23.299 ms 5.687 ms
4.880 ms
>10 107.at-5-1-0.TR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (146.188.140.137) 94.203 ms 87.450 ms
84.307 ms
>11 297.at-1-0-0.XR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.237) 85.003 ms 90.146 ms
102.171 ms
>12 191.at-3-0-0.HR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.114.113) 139.951 ms 139.420
ms 128.945 ms
>13 111.ATM3-0.DR3.LAX3.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.137) 118.416 ms 113.181 ms
113.944 ms
>14 tnt9.lax3.da.uu.net (206.115.153.201) 117.823 ms 115.177 ms 133.320
ms
>15 2Cust34.tnt9.lax3.da.uu.net (63.23.78.34) 3095.949 ms 3277.546 ms
3913.309 ms
>
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