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Date:      Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:37:38 +0100
From:      Christian Weihs <whitey@whitey.at>
To:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD admin Tool
Message-ID:  <3C670442.1060506@whitey.at>
References:  <20020210144127.79006.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> <20020210152836.C72C14093@i8k.babbleon.org> <3C6698D5.3040306@potentialtech.com>

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Bill Moran wrote:

>> FreeBSD has vi.  What else do you need? :-)
> 
> 
> ee or emacs, I can't stand vi (ducks the incomming flames ...)


Well, that's what I like about the UN*X flavours. Everyone can choose
among a ton of tools. I actually prefer vi :-)

 
>> No, seriously, there are a number of tools to help with various tasks 
>> on the ports, but no pretty GUI tool.  I happen to like that, but if 
>> you don't, you're welcome to write one.
> 
> 
> One excellent, overall tool is webmin.  It seems to integrate nicely with
> FreeBSD, and since it works with most UNIX variants, you can train IT 
> personel
> on it and then install it on all your UNIXish machines.


Tried it but it seemed...well...a bit weak. Nothing better than doing
# vi /etc/rc.conf
but that's a matter of taste. For untrained personnel it's ok I guess.
The more you get involved with FreeBSD, the more you want to do things
by hand.



>> It is *not* as comprehensive as some of the Linux administrative 
>> tools; for other tasks, check out the FreeBSD Handbook (at the freebsd 
>> site) and follow the directions there.  To me this is an advantage 
>> (it's one reason I switched from Linux--it was getting too user 
>> friendly [== obscures what's really going on] for me . . . 


I feel a Deja Vu coming up ;-) SuSE has this tool, YAST. Nice but on
the latest distros you have to install a ton of packages just to get it 
running. See "user friendly" earlier.


> I agree here as well.  A slightly related story is the number of NT 
> server installations
> that I've fixed because the dumbass who installed it didn't really know 
> what he was
> doing, but just clicked around until it seemed to work.


Hmm, at the last company I worked for they set up an ActiveDirectory
DomainController. It barely ran because nobody had thought about digging 
into docs. I voted for Samba but those bozos only wanted Windoze because 
of the nice-point-and-click-graphical-user-interface-for-dummies. Sad.

And now to the real meaning of Life: Try out what you can. You'll find 
the right tool for everything.

Christian




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