Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:03:22 -0800 From: David Greenman <dg@root.com> To: Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net>, current@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 (Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th) Message-ID: <200001070203.SAA08297@implode.root.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:32:21 PST." <200001070032.QAA01812@mass.cdrom.com>
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>> Get IPv6 into the tree. Now. Thank you. > >I don't know quite what makes you think that we came down in the last >shower of rain, but has it ever occurred to you that we're not >_completely_ stupid? > >Do you _always_ assume that anyone other than yourself is a complete >moron? What makes you think that we don't want this code integrated, or >that we don't care about it? Have you bothered to actually read those >sides of this discussion that have come from the release engineering team? > >Wouldn't it be much more sensible of you to assume that there are good >and valid reasons for things being the way they are? Wouldn't it be much >more sensible of you to enquire as to what these reasons are, or perhaps >to even have paid attention to all the discussions and progress that have >gone on over the last few months (or even just stayed up to date in the >last week, where the whole matter has been discussed)? > >Or are you just too lazy? Too lazy to pay attention? Too lazy to >actually participate in this process? Too lazy to do anything other than >to wait until it's too late to do anything, and then randomly sling blame >around? What _do_ you think you achieve with this? How do you think >that insulting the people that are actually trying to do the work while >you sit on the sidelines is going to help the process? > >It's been said before, and I'm sure it'll be said again; if you can't >or won't offer support or assistance, the very least you can do is avoid >being actively destructive. Take a few moments to think about what it is >that you and we want to achieve, and how best to get there. And take a >hint; insulting us is not how to go about it. Mike, I think this is just a bit over the top and doesn't belong in our mailing lists. Please stop doing that. It really isn't fair to blame the FreeBSD developer base at large, and users as well for the slowness of the integration. The KAME team has never asked for integration help as far as I can recall and the primary reason for the delay was actually due to their attentions being focused on NetBSD (with the justification that they were about to freeze for a release). This all said, I don't think we are that far away from having a functional IPv6 implementation in FreeBSD. Most (all?) of the stack is there and what is needed now is the completion of support in the various system utilities. I think this part of the merger could be completed in an amount of time that is measured in weeks if the KAME developers can find the time to put into it right now. If not, then this whole discussion is a waste of bandwidth and everyone should just stop gritching over it. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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