Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:52:00 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion <bill@wjv.com> To: Brian <wrath@shianet.org> Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <20010404115200.F23799@wjv.com> In-Reply-To: <004301c0bd00$f51d9460$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net>; from wrath@shianet.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:15:37AM -0400 References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104040236270.7946-100000@workhorse.iMach.com> <3ACAF18A.8E9716C@quake.com.au> <004301c0bd00$f51d9460$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net>
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On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:15:37AM -0400, Brian thus spoke: > It's amazing how much trouble you can get in for doing a broadcast > scan on port 80 looking for webservers. And my scan consisted > of nothing more than a handshake, it didn't probe to see what > services were installed. > This action got me a year and a half of academic probation (I > do something wrong again I get kicked out without a hearing), > banned from their residential network for the entirety of my stay > here, and use of computational facilities for the sole purpose > of academics. I'm not allowed to use the internet except in > my home department. I quickly got off campus after not having > internet access for three months, buying myself a house and > getting internet access from a more reliable source. Now I no > longer do _anything_ from my machine, that's what shellers are > for. In the meantime, the school never understood the simple fact > that if I were looking to do damage, I wouldn't do it from my > machine. Having done some work as an outside database develper for an educational institution I know how badly they can mis-understand things. > I suppose that's what happens when you get old farts working for a > school, they're only there for their paycheck. Now they sit around > and use their uber-expensive software and hardware to see what the > kids are splattering across 'their' network. Well I definately fit the 'old fart' age bracket - but I surely don't have their attitudes. If I did I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now - including a couple of hours on the phone last week trying to pin-point a problem with a regional support person on an ATM problem - which in the end turned out to be a Cisco IOS/ATM sw problem. Many people at this age think that ATM has only to do with machines that dispense money. But then I've met some with 'old fart attitudes' and they are still in their 20's. > This is a prime example of what happens when people overpolice. I'd agree with that. Over-regulation has always made people find way around it. That's how wars have started since the dawn of creation. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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