Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:27:25 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com> To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net> Cc: toolchain@FreeBSD.org, Brooks Davis <brooks@FreeBSD.org>, current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th Message-ID: <899949C4294E09BFD34754CE@localhost> In-Reply-To: <504F07E3.4010004@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120910211207.GC64920@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <504ED1FC.3090608@FreeBSD.org> <20120911092750.GF20762@e-new.0x20.net> <504F07E3.4010004@FreeBSD.org>
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--On September 11, 2012 2:44:03 AM -0700 Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >> >> Doug, as you can already use CLANG instead of GCC now, you will be able >> to use GCC instead of CLANG after November 4th. > > There's lots of things I _can_ do, what we're discussing is what the > defaults should be. > >> At the moment the ports maintainers don't give much about if their ports >> build with CLANG or not > > Do you follow ports development? At all? There have been extensive > efforts over the last several years to get more ports compiling with > clang. The problem is that things like the c89 issue don't percolate > down, and we don't have a concerted effort from all of the relevant > parties to improve the issue. > > Fixing the problem of getting the right eyeballs on the things that need > fixing won't be improved by switching the default before they are fixed. > In fact, it's likely to make the people who are src-centric now even > less likely to help because their work will be "done." > >> Those who don't run CURRENT won't notice, but those who do will have to >> get their butts up and fix the ports, so 10.0 can have 99% of all ports >> build with CLANG and even 8.x and 9.x can already profit from having the >> broken ports fixed now. > > Yeah, and I'm going to get a pony out of this deal, right? :) > > You completely misunderstand the nature of the problem, therefore your > proposed solution isn't going to solve it. > Perhaps a port maintainer's input would help? I'd never even heard of clang until recently. I'm not a programmer. If I can't get my ports to compile with clang without a knowledge of programming, I'll abandon them. I'm too old and too tired to try learning a brand new system. I doubt I'm alone. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell
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