Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 12:59:20 -0500 From: Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: <bbcc6833-6af0-4dba-ba6a-155aad5fafd5@shrew.net> In-Reply-To: <qwepsnprfvciwlmciezl@sxog> References: <hkttyyfmuguexmliuhmg@ewtn> <sirudbjwrqwlhpzjpfqf@abqv> <20260720202746.45869b21@rimwks.local> <qwepsnprfvciwlmciezl@sxog>
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On 7/20/26 12:38, vermaden wrote:
>>> I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into
>>> this:
>>>
>>> % mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=+0.05
>> Just use gtk-mixer, avail in ports.
>>
>> In recent years, I haven't noticed any bugs
>> in the operation of the OSS.
> I do it by scripts anyway ... but I needed to rewrite all my scripts because of these changes ... and this change in syntax was bad from at least three perspectives:
>
> 1. It happened in 'point' release (like from .2 to .3) - not in new major release - breaking stuff for EVERYONE.
>
> 2. It happened without any reason - the tool could do the same with old syntax underneath - the new syntax does not introduce anything new - it just has different syntax.
>
> 3. As FreeBSD (at least up to some time ago) cherished the POLA principle WHY the old syntax could not been also kept and accepted?
>
> ... and yes - I also think that 'gtk-mixer' works well - so is 'dsbmixer' tool.
It offered something new to me: Confusion. In the past, I'd need to
fiddle with the mixer once a year and it was more or less obvious how it
worked. The last time, I just gave up.
-Matthew
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