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Date:      Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:08:15 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern kern_condvar.c kern_synch.c src/sys/sys proc.h
Message-ID:  <20010823100815.E31104@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010821235437.A64706@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:54:37PM -0700
References:  <200108211842.f7LIgkp03186@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010821134601.J81307@elvis.mu.org> <20010821124428.B17739@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010821164833.D58026@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20010821170420.L81307@elvis.mu.org> <20010821235437.A64706@dragon.nuxi.com>

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On Tuesday, 21 August 2001 at 23:54:37 -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:04:21PM -0500, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>> This is a pretty useless bug report.
>>
>> Please read the section in the handbook about kernel debugging
>> and get us a useful traceback/crashdump as well as systat type
>> info.
>
> OK Albert,
>
> I am one of these people.  How the hell do you expect me to get
> crashdumps when my entire disk subsystem is what is freezing and going
> out to lunch???  I get to ddb and type `panic'.  All I get is the first
> part of the message of writing to disk.  But guess what!?!  Nothing
> happens because guess what!?!  I no longer have a disk subsystem to save
> the crashdump to.  `ps' will totally wedge the machine when it is in this
> state also.
>
> Now would *YOU* like to offer something other than "pretty useless"
> debugging advice.

I can't speak for Alfred, but I'd advise you to set up a serial debug
link.

Greg
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