Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:34:59 +0530 From: jian he <jian.universality@gmail.com> To: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: concerns about install freebsd Message-ID: <CACJufxFfYwFCmpKfZZYcxMU=Ckp7M5bceH=LijpEO=HZwzniCQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAFYkXjnOMPzYbuf02WRdJd4OO84JabJVbub76KiRYigrB9Ue8A@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACJufxEriHZcoxxDFYTwykxA0fwN8YpV74dUp3iCt9-oFO0rxg@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnOMPzYbuf02WRdJd4OO84JabJVbub76KiRYigrB9Ue8A@mail.gmail.com>
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--000000000000ebce0b05e9caa84a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:16 AM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:08 PM jian he wrote: > > I asked the question about "freebsd graphic text editor". The question > is stupid. > > No stupid questions, just stupid answers :-) > > Long story short, FreeBSD is Unix, but this is not a Linux, its a > different operating system with different kernel and applications are > not really one-to-one compatible from a binary standpoint.. however > FreeBSD can emulate Linux ELF binaries and when all other dependencies > are met Linux application binaries can work on FreeBSD. > > The biggest difference is in philosophy and approach to changes and > long term maintenance. Linux is an example of "Enforced Changes"^TM > ideology even when that makes it self-incompatible in short and long > term. Linux also does not conform to standards as much as FreeBSD (and > other BSD) does, usually you will notice things stop working in Linux > after update, there are compatibility problems between different > versions of the same Linux distributions, etc, etc. FreeBSD on the > other hand comes from Unix and is created by people who actually use > it themselves in serious commercial applications that must be > maintainable in a long periods of time. > > The difference between Linux and BSD can be easily noticed in the > product that they power: Linux -> Google Android (constant changes, > updates, every Android is different), BSD -> iOS (looks and works the > same on different devices, mostly focused on the result of the person > using it). > > Some people prefer BSD some people prefer Linux. "Apples and > Oranges"^TM but you should use both to make conscious decision and > know exactly why. Some people even use both Linux and BSD depending on > the task. > > > > The real questions for me(don't want waste too much time on install) > would be: > > I already installed linux, any external pan drive needs to install > freebsd? > > In the first step just create a VirtualBox machine, install it, create > a snapshot, and see how this works. If anything goes wrong you can > simply rollback a snapshot and you will not loose any real data. > > > > Can I install linux and freebsd in the same machine (I think it's intel > x86 architecture)? If so, can I switch it easily, just use the shortcut key > then switch to another system. > > Yes, you can use them on a separate disks, you can use all of them on one > disk. > > > > How long does it take to install freebsd(all settings default, ignore > internet speed) (I like to first make it work, then try to understand the > system internals). > > At first you install "The Base System" so it is common starting point > for everyone. Going from that you can install whatever you need by > using `pkg` program or the source tree of the all available packages > you can choose from located at `/usr/ports` called "The FreeBSD > Ports". > > > > If all things are pretty easy to set, can you give an authoritative > video link? (in case I fail, I can follow through) I know there are many > youtube tutorials, but I obviously don't know which one is right. > > There is a great book and its called "The FreeBSD Handbook" all > information should be there: > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > > Keep in mind that the BSD Unix systems is mostly for the advanced and > aware users. You start from a base system that you can customize to be > a network router, network server, application server, desktop > workstation, dedicated embedded system, etc, but you will have do to > it yourself. There is no "one click to fit everyone" approach in > FreeBSD. > > If you want to try out the BSD from a pendrive with already > preinstalled Xorg + Window Manager you may also want to try NomadBSD > (that is using FreeBSD base): > > https://nomadbsd.org/ > > Virtual Machine seems to be the best way to safely play and try out > various things safely. > > Have fun! :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > I successfully installed oracle virtualbox. Then landed on this site: https://freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd-project/resourcesold/installing-freebsd-with-virtualbox/ then I choose 13.1: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/ Now, which one should I choose: bootonly.iso or disc.iso or dvd1.iso? --000000000000ebce0b05e9caa84a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"= ><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:16 AM Tom= ek CEDRO <<a href=3D"mailto:tomek@cedro.info">tomek@cedro.info</a>> w= rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p= x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Se= p 28, 2022 at 8:08 PM jian he wrote:<br> > I asked the question about "freebsd graphic text editor". Th= e question=C2=A0 is stupid.<br> <br> No stupid questions, just stupid answers :-)<br> <br> Long story short, FreeBSD is Unix, but this is not a Linux, its a<br> different operating system with different kernel and applications are<br> not really one-to-one compatible from a binary standpoint.. however<br> FreeBSD can emulate Linux ELF binaries and when all other dependencies<br> are met Linux application binaries can work on FreeBSD.<br> <br> The biggest difference is in philosophy and approach to changes and<br> long term maintenance. Linux is an example of "Enforced Changes"^= TM<br> ideology even when that makes it self-incompatible in short and long<br> term. Linux also does not conform to standards as much as FreeBSD (and<br> other BSD) does, usually you will notice things stop working in Linux<br> after update, there are compatibility problems between different<br> versions of the same Linux distributions, etc, etc. FreeBSD on the<br> other hand comes from Unix and is created by people who actually use<br> it themselves in serious commercial applications that must be<br> maintainable in a long periods of time.<br> <br> The difference between Linux and BSD can be easily noticed in the<br> product that they power: Linux -> Google Android (constant changes,<br> updates, every Android is different), BSD -> iOS (looks and works the<br= > same on different devices, mostly focused on the result of the person<br> using it).<br> <br> Some people prefer BSD some people prefer Linux. "Apples and<br> Oranges"^TM but you should use both to make conscious decision and<br> know exactly why. Some people even use both Linux and BSD depending on<br> the task.<br> <br> <br> > The real questions for me(don't want waste too much time on instal= l) would be:<br> > I already installed linux, any external pan drive needs to install fre= ebsd?<br> <br> In the first step just create a VirtualBox machine, install it, create<br> a snapshot, and see how this works. If anything goes wrong you can<br> simply rollback a snapshot and you will not loose any real data.<br> <br> <br> >=C2=A0 Can I install linux and freebsd in the same machine (I think it&= #39;s intel x86 architecture)? If so, can I switch it easily, just use the = shortcut key then switch to another system.<br> <br> Yes, you can use them on a separate disks, you can use all of them on one d= isk.<br> <br> <br> >=C2=A0 How long does it take to install freebsd(all settings default, i= gnore internet speed) (I like to first make it work, then try to understand= the system internals).<br> <br> At first you install "The Base System" so it is common starting p= oint<br> for everyone. Going from that you can install whatever you need by<br> using `pkg` program or the source tree of the all available packages<br> you can choose from located at `/usr/ports` called "The FreeBSD<br> Ports".<br> <br> <br> > If all things are pretty easy to set, can you give an authoritative vi= deo link? (in case I fail, I can follow through) I know there are many yout= ube tutorials, but I obviously don't know which one is right.<br> <br> There is a great book and its called "The FreeBSD Handbook" all<b= r> information should be there:<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/" rel=3D"noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank">https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/</a><br>; <br> <br> Keep in mind that the BSD Unix systems is mostly for the advanced and<br> aware users. You start from a base system that you can customize to be<br> a network router, network server, application server, desktop<br> workstation, dedicated embedded system, etc, but you will have do to<br> it yourself. There is no "one click to fit everyone" approach in<= br> FreeBSD.<br> <br> If you want to try out the BSD from a pendrive with already<br> preinstalled Xorg + Window Manager you may also want to try NomadBSD<br> (that is using FreeBSD base):<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://nomadbsd.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http= s://nomadbsd.org/</a><br> <br> Virtual Machine seems to be the best way to safely play and try out<br> various things safely.<br> <br> Have fun! :-)<br> <br> -- <br> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, <a href=3D"http://www.tomek.cedro.info" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://www.tomek.cedro.info</a><br>; </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans= -serif" class=3D"gmail_default">I successfully installed oracle virtualbox.= </div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default"= >Then landed on this site: <a href=3D"https://freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd= -project/resourcesold/installing-freebsd-with-virtualbox/">https://freebsdf= oundation.org/freebsd-project/resourcesold/installing-freebsd-with-virtualb= ox/</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_d= efault">then I choose 13.1: <a href=3D"https://download.freebsd.org/release= s/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/">https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64= /amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/</a></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-ser= if" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,san= s-serif" class=3D"gmail_default">Now, which one should I choose: bootonly.i= so or disc.iso or dvd1.iso?<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans= -serif" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></d= iv><div><br></div></div></div> --000000000000ebce0b05e9caa84a--
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