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Date:      Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:11:23 +1100
From:      Andrew Reilly <areilly@bigpond.net.au>
To:        Michael Westbay <westbay@seaple.icc.ne.jp>
Cc:        freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Java for FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <20020212181123.A63446@gurney.lake>
In-Reply-To: <200202120547.OAA22602@orca.seaple.icc.ne.jp>; from westbay@seaple.icc.ne.jp on Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 16:48:10 %2B1100
References:  <20020211142834.A81586@sr.se> <20020212155415.A64695@gurney.reilly.home> <200202120547.OAA22602@orca.seaple.icc.ne.jp>

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Hi Michael,

Thanks for your suggestions.

On 2002.02.12 16:48 Michael Westbay wrote:
> Applets do work in Konqueror (KDE) on FreeBSD with the native JDK.  The only 
> problem is that LiveScript (JavaScript) control over an applet doesn't work 
> in Konqueror and some applets appear outside of the browser frame.

Hmm. I've gone the GNOME path, mostly because I don't like C++.
I'd prefer not to have to keep two gigantic tool and library sets
current, just to run Konqueror...

> > Can the j2ee sdk (jdk13) be used to run applets, even in
> > stand-alone mode?  I want to do GUIs, rather than server-side
> > database applications.
> 
> I would recommend creating an application (as opposed to applet) and 
> deploying with WebStart.  That works fine on Netscape 4.7x, Mozilla, and 
> Konqueror (although I recall having to tweak some things to get it to find 
> the native JRE).  You get the advantages of an application (which could talk 
> to a web service if you so chose) with the deployability of an applet.

I've found Java Web Start on the Sun pages, and it does indeed
look (a) interesting, and (b) closer to what I really wanted in
the first place than I knew existed. A small tweak to my system
(sym-linking /usr/local/bin/bash to /bin/bash) allowed the linux
version of the installer to run, and a bit of mucking about with
the gnome MIME type configurer has convinced both galeon and
mozilla to at least _start_ the javaws gizmo. Their javascript
buttons don't work, but thankfully they have a no-javascript
version of the page. The trouble is that the first thing that it
seems to do in all cases (on the demo app page) is go looking on
sun's web site for the JRE, having decided that I don't have an
appropriate one running. This, despite the fact that it seems to
be running under said jre. I notice that the install has produced
an executable: javawsbin, which is unbranded, but presumably a
linux binary. Wonder if that's causing a problem?

For a nominally system-independant software platform, Sun
seems to be going out of their way to tie Java to their preferred
platforms (four of them: windows, solaris-sparc, solaris-i386,
linux-i386). Pretty poor, I think.

-- 
Andrew

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