Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 13:49:26 -0700 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> Cc: freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Dropping firewire support from boot loader Message-ID: <CANCZdfq=-XXp-pJZmYyUHyN9GiVPKfKn8Rx7E33w4-WT1f=fdQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5E84C24A-E90F-4EE2-B054-EEDCC23DD6E6@gid.co.uk> References: <D894955D-22EF-4EFC-B584-962742917B3C@yahoo.com> <CANCZdfoasP-FgLc5nsCXXa5Q7oi2EZk-s7MNWsaJjrn1AFtjfA@mail.gmail.com> <A1183C13-644D-4F4B-9BF2-0BB8A03CC9D3@gid.co.uk> <CANCZdfr5KLhWVtTsi7o6p14qACY3_fksHZzRtAL-K8B4zuAvzA@mail.gmail.com> <5E84C24A-E90F-4EE2-B054-EEDCC23DD6E6@gid.co.uk>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 1:25 PM Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > Well, the kernel support ‘just works’ so installing on to a firewire disk > is straightforward; just load up firewire.ko and sbp.ko, and the disk comes > up through CAM. > > However, I couldn’t get the loader to see the disk; I don’t think this > build of the loader includes the firewire bits. Not helped on my hardware > because the BIOS doesn’t have firewire disk boot support. > Firmware isn't built by default. You need a special build for that... what is loading /boot/loader? Not sure you could boot the system with it if the bios doesn't support it (except by having a tiny disk that the BIOS understands and using that to boot off the fireworks root). Warner Warner > On 10 Nov 2022, at 21:53, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > I've created a diff: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37334 > > > > Warner > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 3:07 AM Bob Bishop <rb@gid.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > On 9 Nov 2022, at 23:55, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:42 PM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Warner Losh <imp_at_bsdimp.com> wrote on > > > Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:01:41 UTC : > > > > > > > I'd like to drop firewire support from the boot loader. It's not > been used > > > > in quite some time, as far as I can tell. Nor have I (or anybody > else) > > > > tested it in forever. > > > > > > > > Is anybody still using it? Does anybody know if it works? Any > objections to > > > > removing it from FreeBSD 14? > > > > I think I still have hardware that will do this. I can check it out if > anyone cares... > > > > > I would suggest that old PowerMac's might be the most > > > likely usage context. > > > > > > Right now, though, this is an i386 only feature... > > > > > > Warner > > > > -- > > Bob Bishop > > rb@gid.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > -- > Bob Bishop > rb@gid.co.uk > > > > > [-- Attachment #2 --] <div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 1:25 PM Bob Bishop <<a href="mailto:rb@gid.co.uk">rb@gid.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br> Well, the kernel support ‘just works’ so installing on to a firewire disk is straightforward; just load up firewire.ko and sbp.ko, and the disk comes up through CAM.<br> <br> However, I couldn’t get the loader to see the disk; I don’t think this build of the loader includes the firewire bits. Not helped on my hardware because the BIOS doesn’t have firewire disk boot support.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Firmware isn't built by default. You need a special build for that... what is loading /boot/loader? Not sure you could boot the system with it if the bios doesn't support it (except by having a tiny disk that the BIOS understands and using that to boot off the fireworks root).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warner </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warner </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> > On 10 Nov 2022, at 21:53, Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > I've created a diff: <a href="https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37334" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D37334</a><br>; > <br> > Warner<br> > <br> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 3:07 AM Bob Bishop <<a href="mailto:rb@gid.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rb@gid.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> > Hi,<br> > <br> > > On 9 Nov 2022, at 23:55, Warner Losh <<a href="mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:42 PM Mark Millard <<a href="mailto:marklmi@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marklmi@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > Warner Losh <<a href="http://imp_at_bsdimp.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">imp_at_bsdimp.com</a>> wrote on<br> > > Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:01:41 UTC :<br> > > <br> > > > I'd like to drop firewire support from the boot loader. It's not been used<br> > > > in quite some time, as far as I can tell. Nor have I (or anybody else)<br> > > > tested it in forever.<br> > > > <br> > > > Is anybody still using it? Does anybody know if it works? Any objections to<br> > > > removing it from FreeBSD 14?<br> > <br> > I think I still have hardware that will do this. I can check it out if anyone cares... <br> > <br> > > I would suggest that old PowerMac's might be the most<br> > > likely usage context.<br> > > <br> > > Right now, though, this is an i386 only feature...<br> > > <br> > > Warner<br> > <br> > --<br> > Bob Bishop<br> > <a href="mailto:rb@gid.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rb@gid.co.uk</a><br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > <br> <br> --<br> Bob Bishop<br> <a href="mailto:rb@gid.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rb@gid.co.uk</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div></div></div>help
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