Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:07:50 -0600 From: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Greg Black <gjb-freebsd@gba.oz.au>, Garrett Wollman <wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>, security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Module magic Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990713230358.044ebdb0@localhost> In-Reply-To: <66459.931927648@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <Your message of "Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:43:39 MDT." <4.2.0.58.19990713204251.044f34f0@localhost>
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At 09:47 PM 7/13/99 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >XiG continues to support FreeBSD just as it has for years and Thomas >Roell, the company founder/chief tech, runs FreeBSD on his own >machine. FreeBSD needs to be supported or he can't work. :) Just reviewed my notes, and discovered that it wasn't the X server but rather two other things that were dropped. Here's a message you yourself wrote in January, in which you dismiss the notion of FreeBSD becoming popular on the desktop: >Delivered-To: vmailer-chat@freebsd.org >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (VMailer, from userid 1) > id 6AF83961F; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:33:10 -0800 (PST) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20266 > for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:33:09 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) >Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20261 > for <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:33:08 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) >Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA79878; > Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:33:49 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) >To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> >Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: From Slashdot... >In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:17:51 -0400." > <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901311508520.374-100000@thelab.hub.org> >Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:33:49 -0800 >Message-ID: <79876.917829229@zippy.cdrom.com> >From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> >Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG >Precedence: bulk >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >X-UIDL: 2552690906415f8bf48241823ccaf065 >Status: U > > > ...is FreeBSD destined to be a "server" environment only, with anyone > > wanting to do any serious graphics or multimedia needing to fall onto the > > Linux bandwagon? > >Yes. Interest in the desktop has been so marginal as to make it no >longer worth even thinking about and I think it's time to realize that >the server is our bread and butter. > >Everyone talks about how nice desktop support would be but nobody DOES >anything and, as a result, every initiative to support the desktop >more seriously in FreeBSD has been a dead loss. The desktop contest >went down without so much as a single decent entry, XiG sold about 3 >copies of CDE for FreeBSD when they made a play for the (non-existent) >FreeBSD desktop market (and don't tell me this was just anti-CDE >attitudes in action since they sold thousands of copies for Linux) and >the attempt to bring 3DFX support to FreeBSD has been so long in >coming that I'm no longer even waiting for it, etc. > >If I wanted a Unix machine purely for the desktop today, I'd install >Linux. It has all the multimedia frobs, support for exotic 3D gfx and >sound cards, desktop applications, you name it. FreeBSD has a pool of >about 50 users who feel about as strongly about the desktop, it seems, >and that's just not enough to reach critical mass, especially when >those users are not also software developers who can actually write >drivers and improve existing support. > >Do I sound bitter about this? Perhaps just a bit. For whatever >reason, the multimedia developers have not seen fit to actually >develop multimedia support in FreeBSD and, as a result, we merely have >a lot of users milling around asking when their hardware is going to >work. That's not a winning situation, and it's my hope that perhaps >DVD support will be the one thing we can do which allows us to catch >at least the trailing edge of the wave since it's also the one thing >that people who use X for little more than popping up lots of xterms >(as most FreeBSD users, including myself, seem to do in a >server-centric environment) will want. Movies have universal appeal. > >- Jordan > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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