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Date:      Tue, 26 May 1998 12:38:49 -0600 (MDT)
From:      Brett Taylor <brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu>
To:        Phillip Salzman <advocacy@saten.dyn.ml.org>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Desktop OS
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980526122407.11096E-100000@peloton.physics.montana.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980526015340.1412A-100000@saten.dyn.ml.org>

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Howdy,

On Tue, 26 May 1998, Phillip Salzman wrote:
> I read a few messages saying that FreeBSD should stick
> to being a robust 'Server OS', but I disagree entirely.

I don't think that's been the idea (see Jordan's original "focus" post),
but I would agree that ignoring the desktop would be a failure.  

I, among others I'm sure, use FreeBSD as our desktop.  I have NO other
operating system around (finally threw out my 286) and I haven't needed
one either.  Admittedly, I'm working on my PhD in theoretical physics and
I use LaTeX and other standard sorts of Unix tools all day long.  Clearly
secretaries would be swamped by trying to run FBSD wo/ a long break in
period and I seriously doubt they'd want to learn *TeX.  :-)

But, I think FreeBSD CAN make a push to be a good scientific/engineering
desktop platform.  I know there are a fairly large number (around 10 or
so) FreeBSD desktops at Lockheed-Martin in Palo Alto, mostly due to the
presence of Brian Handy, who is about to finish his PhD in solar physics.
I've gotten my own advisor excited about putting FreeBSD on his ThinkPad
and I MAY have convinced the dept computer person to let me turn some old
486's into FreeBSD terminals serving off of what is, for now, a Red Hat
PPro machine.  Even the dept computer person (I refuse to call what she
does sys admin), who's a dyed in the wool Windows person has finally,
after much of my badgering, seen the need to have unix workstations
available to the graduate and undergraduate students.  

If we could push science and engineering depts to use FreeBSD on simple,
even what might be considered old, computers to use as essentially
X-terminalsc we could make a lot of headway.  The problem is making it
easy for the sys admins, who may and likely are Windows people, to be able
to set up and administer the machines.  Admittedly, I'm not saying
anything new here. 

I convinced her that the way Red Hat handles package installation (nearly
everything goes into /usr/bin - this is what the present Red Hat sys admin
told me anyway) is silly.  I think the ease of use of CVSup and our
ports/package handling is easy enough that she can deal w/ it.  One thing
that might make it easier for Windows people is a GUI package/port
controller.

I'd be happy to talk about/work on some coherent plan for pushing FreeBSD
as a desktop alternative to Windows/Linux/etc.

Anyway, don't abandon the desktop.  :-)

Brett
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http://peloton.physics.montana.edu/brett/



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