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Date:      Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:37:44 -0800
From:      Ed Hall <edhall@screech.weirdnoise.com>
To:        Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: PCI DMA lockups in 3.2 (3.3 maybe?) 
Message-ID:  <199912060337.TAA22053@screech.weirdnoise.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:10:20 PST." <199912060110.RAA09520@mass.cdrom.com> 

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Mike,

So I'm to blame that my project schedule didn't happen to coincide
with the FreeBSD release schedule?  Give me a break.  The project hasn't
even gone into production yet.  And I think you'll find that your apparent
assumption that no one was told about the problems is equally rash.  I
posted a note here, and spent a considerable amount of time working with
one of the core members in outlining the problems and finding workarounds.
Yahoo devoted six machines to a series of experiments to characterize the
problems and seek solutions even though using 2.2.8 was always a ready
option.

I think you'll find that people's willingness to contribute to your
"volunteer-developed project" depends upon a little forbearance and
understanding on your part.  Communication is neither going to be as
timely nor as well-formed as you might like.  Scan the archives and you'll
find ample evidence for phenomena like both issues I described, but never
in a form that says, "here's your bug--now fix it."  If you take a
defensive attitude, you'll never see such things.

Believe it or not, I'm on your side.

		-Ed




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