Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:03:21 -0700 From: Chris Irvine <chris@threeprong.com> To: Jamie <jamie@gnulife.org> Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Message-ID: <web-241490@threeprong.com> In-Reply-To: <20021007164750.V6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org>
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Just my $.02 ... I've been very happy with a commercial package from Stalker. Scales very well, easy to maintain, and feature loaded. I know it isn't free. But after working on ISP features like SMTP AUTH, and SMTP relay after POP, using sendmail or qmail can be a pain. The software runs on anything, including FreeBSD. One sample config, 16k web users, 100 heavy lan users, all running on a single G4@350 w/ OSX. Load average rarely goes over 0.1 If you want to scale up, front and back end clustering is supported for a price. Let me know if you have any questions. (I don't work at Stalker, but sometimes wonder if I should.) -Chris On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Jamie <jamie@gnulife.org> wrote: > > > Sorry, I should have added what we are looking at as > far as load and > userbase. We have about 3000 mail accounts on the server, > and would like > to think in terms of building for a larger base of about > 6000 or so. We > have the equipment all housed at a colo facility. The > hardware is so-so. > Dual PIII's with Asus VP6 motherboards and a gig of ram > if any of that > info is userful. > > > > - Jamie > > > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > > > If your users lack clue enough to configure > > a mail client that is what support helpdesks > > are for or a well structured support website. > > > > Your talking in terms of a very large isp. > > I am talking in terms of what the original > > poster (who seems to be running a small to > > medium mail server) can/should do. Having 2 > > disparate mail servers is not uncommon, I was > > also thinking of a colo-swap with another > > provider, its way cheaper then having to pay > > loop+bandwisdth commit on a link that you only > > want for backup mail servers. > > > > > > It all realy boils down to what level of service > > and redundancy you are looking to get to. Again I > > was thinking on the cheap and less complicated because > > I interpreted that is what the original poster was > > looking to do =) > > > > -mtl > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Lapinski > > Computer Scientist > > GE Research > > > > > > "I think there is a world market for maybe five > computers." > > - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 > > > > > > ->-----Original Message----- > > ->From: 'Denny Reiter' [mailto:denny@reiters.org] > > ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:29 PM > > ->To: Lapinski, Michael (Research) > > ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions > > -> > > -> > > ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Lapinski, > Michael > > ->(Research) wrote: > > ->> Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you > users > > ->> can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your > primary > > ->> mail server is up. It is quite easy to config > netscape and > > ->> other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for > new mail. > > -> > > ->Don't take this personally, but I find that solution > silly in > > ->reality. While it's quite possible technically and > would definitely > > ->solve problems, getting a user to successfully > configure one mail > > ->account and keep from screwing that up is hard > enough. Tell them > > ->to configure multiples and their head will start > spinning. > > -> > > ->> I was addressing topic that others had brought up > with > > ->> using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and > having > > ->> one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went > down. > > ->> Its great and all but like I said before, if your > mail server > > ->> is built well then the network turns into the > failure point. > > ->> And with the network being the failure point why > bother having > > ->> redundant mail servers in the same physical > location? > > -> > > ->Got a couple of hundred users? You can probably get > away with > > ->taking down your mail server to add more RAM or > upgrading your > > ->system. Got 10,000? You still might be able to get > away with it > > ->in the wee hours of the morning if you are quick and > lucky. Got > > ->60,000? No way. You might be able to build one box > and make it > > ->ultra-reliable and ultra-fast, but if things go > sideways on you, > > ->you're screwed. Having multiple boxes taking care of > things > > ->automagically not only will please your customers, > but immensely > > ->improve your mental health. > > -> > > ->And the network being the failure point? That's why > you have > > ->multiple circuits from different providers. > > -> > > ->-- > > ->Denny Reiter > denny@reiters.org > > ->So I don't hurt your feelings: > happydenny@reiters.org > > -> www.scapegoats.org > > ->Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the > Borg and > > ->the Ferengi. > > -> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the > message > > > > > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." > > - Walt Disney > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Chris Irvine mailto:chris@threeprong.com sending spam? mailto:misterX@threeprong.com PGP Fingerprint: 4C3F 9211 1C58 DAA6 ED98 1D85 19CC AAFD 0643 B887 Advanced custom solutions for MacOS X, Solaris, UNIX, Networks Sun Certified Solaris 8 Administrator ___________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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