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Date:      Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:48:08 -0600
From:      Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org>
To:        Mark.Andrews@nominum.com
Cc:        freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: named weirdness...
Message-ID:  <20001103094808.A4329@lerami.lerctr.org>
In-Reply-To: <200011031421.eA3ELmc86768@drugs.dv.isc.org>; from Mark.Andrews@nominum.com on Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 01:21:48AM %2B1100
References:  <20001103072954.A28501@lerami.lerctr.org> <200011031421.eA3ELmc86768@drugs.dv.isc.org>

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* Mark.Andrews@nominum.com <Mark.Andrews@nominum.com> [001103 08:17]:
> 
> > ok, but it didn't seem to hear the notify from 207.158.72.11 (same
> > net) and load it.  (8.2.2-P5 on UnixWare 7).  All the others
> > (all 4 other 2ndary's). 
> 
> 	All the log shows is named starting/reloading.
Ok, I upped the soa serial:
Nov  3 09:31:52 lerami named[828]: master zone "lerctr.org" (IN)
loaded (serial
2000110302)
Nov  3 09:32:00 lerami named[828]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA"
(lerctr.o
rg); 6 NS, 6 A
Nov  3 09:32:00 lerami named[828]: Received NOTIFY answer from
207.158.64.11 for
 "lerctr.org IN SOA"
Nov  3 09:32:00 lerami named[828]: Received NOTIFY answer from
207.158.64.10 for
 "lerctr.org IN SOA"
Nov  3 09:32:00 lerami named[828]: Received NOTIFY answer from
206.138.224.150 f
or "lerctr.org IN SOA"
Nov  3 09:32:00 lerami named[828]: Received NOTIFY answer from
206.66.10.46 for
"lerctr.org IN SOA"
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: approved AXFR from
[207.158.64.11].57862 for
"lerctr.org"
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: zone transfer (AXFR) of
"lerctr.org" (IN) to
[207.158.64.11].57862
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: approved AXFR from
[207.158.64.10].44387 for
"lerctr.org"
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: zone transfer (AXFR) of
"lerctr.org" (IN) to
[207.158.64.10].44387
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: approved AXFR from
[206.66.10.46].4003 for "l
erctr.org"
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: zone transfer (AXFR) of
"lerctr.org" (IN) to
[206.66.10.46].4003
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: approved AXFR from
[206.138.224.150].2706 for
 "lerctr.org"
Nov  3 09:32:01 lerami named[828]: zone transfer (AXFR) of
"lerctr.org" (IN) to
[206.138.224.150].2706
Nov  3 09:33:54 lerami named[828]: approved AXFR from
[192.67.63.1].2182 for "le
rctr.org"
Nov  3 09:33:54 lerami named[828]: zone transfer (AXFR) of
"lerctr.org" (IN) to
[192.67.63.1].2182
$

Nov  2 13:35:58 lerbsd named[104]: starting.  named 8.2.3-T6B Thu Nov  2 12:14:13 CST 2000 	ler@lerbsd.lerctr.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named
Nov  2 13:35:58 lerbsd named[104]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024)
Nov  2 13:35:58 lerbsd named[105]: Ready to answer queries.
Nov  3 03:25:14 lerbsd named[105]: named shutting down
Nov  3 03:25:14 lerbsd named[105]: USAGE 973243514 973193758 CPU=0.424867u/0.19119s CHILDCPU=0u/0s
Nov  3 03:25:14 lerbsd named[105]: NSTATS 973243514 973193758 A=491 PTR=274 MX=33 AAAA=102 ANY=21
Nov  3 03:25:14 lerbsd named[105]: XSTATS 973243514 973193758 RR=118 RNXD=27 RFwdR=71 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=6 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=44 SAns=917 SFwdQ=45 SDupQ=10 SErr=0 RQ=921 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=45 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=71 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=311 SNXD=74 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: starting.  named 8.2.3-T6B Thu Nov  2 12:14:13 CST 2000 	ler@lerbsd.lerctr.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: hint zone "" (IN) loaded (serial 0)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: master zone "0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA" (IN) loaded (serial 20001015)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: master zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.INT" (IN) loaded (serial 20001015)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: slave zone "lerctr.org" (IN) loaded (serial 2000110100)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: listening on [207.158.72.45].53 (ep0)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: listening on [127.0.0.1].53 (lo0)
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9515]: Forwarding source address is [0.0.0.0].1722
Nov  3 03:25:15 lerbsd named[9516]: Ready to answer queries.
Nov  3 03:25:28 lerbsd named[9516]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA 2000110100" (lerctr.org); 1 NS, 1 A
Nov  3 03:25:29 lerbsd named[9516]: suppressing duplicate notify ("lerctr.org" IN SOA)
Nov  3 03:25:38 lerbsd named[9516]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA 2000110100" (lerctr.org); 6 NS, 6 A
Nov  3 03:33:34 lerbsd named[9516]: reconfiguring nameserver
Nov  3 03:33:34 lerbsd named[9516]: Forwarding source address is [0.0.0.0].1744
Nov  3 03:33:34 lerbsd named[9516]: Ready to answer queries.
Nov  3 03:35:49 lerbsd named[9516]: named shutting down
Nov  3 03:35:49 lerbsd named[9516]: USAGE 973244149 973243515 CPU=0.01449u/0.02898s CHILDCPU=0u/0s
Nov  3 03:35:49 lerbsd named[9516]: NSTATS 973244149 973243515 A=12 PTR=5 AAAA=4
Nov  3 03:35:49 lerbsd named[9516]: XSTATS 973244149 973243515 RR=23 RNXD=0 RFwdR=10 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=7 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=13 SAns=22 SFwdQ=1 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=21 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=1 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=10 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=5 SNXD=0 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: starting.  named 8.2.3-T6B Thu Nov  2 12:14:13 CST 2000 	ler@lerbsd.lerctr.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: limit files set to fdlimit (1024)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: hint zone "" (IN) loaded (serial 0)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: master zone "0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA" (IN) loaded (serial 20001015)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: master zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.IP6.INT" (IN) loaded (serial 20001015)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: slave zone "lerctr.org" (IN) loaded (serial 2000110100)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: listening on [207.158.72.45].53 (ep0)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: listening on [127.0.0.1].53 (lo0)
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: Forwarding source address is [0.0.0.0].1745
Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Ready to answer queries.
Nov  3 03:36:01 lerbsd named[9614]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA 2000110100" (lerctr.org); 1 NS, 1 A
Nov  3 03:36:01 lerbsd named[9614]: suppressing duplicate notify ("lerctr.org" IN SOA)
Nov  3 03:36:28 lerbsd named[9614]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA 2000110100" (lerctr.org); 6 NS, 6 A
Nov  3 03:37:04 lerbsd named-xfer[9627]: send AXFR query 0 to 207.158.72.11
Nov  3 03:37:04 lerbsd named[9614]: slave zone "lerctr.org" (IN) loaded (serial 2000110300)
Nov  3 03:37:29 lerbsd named[9614]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA 2000110300" (lerctr.org); 6 NS, 6 A
Nov  3 04:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Cleaned cache of 4 RRsets
Nov  3 04:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: USAGE 973247750 973244150 CPU=0.06739u/0.042884s CHILDCPU=0.009824u/0.004912s
Nov  3 04:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: NSTATS 973247750 973244150 A=62 PTR=19 MX=3 AAAA=7 ANY=2
Nov  3 04:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: XSTATS 973247750 973244150 RR=39 RNXD=5 RFwdR=20 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=13 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=19 SAns=93 SFwdQ=7 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=93 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=7 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=20 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=17 SNXD=6 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 05:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Cleaned cache of 0 RRsets
Nov  3 05:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: USAGE 973251350 973244150 CPU=0.086864u/0.042884s CHILDCPU=0.009824u/0.004912s
Nov  3 05:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: NSTATS 973251350 973244150 A=82 PTR=37 MX=3 AAAA=7 ANY=2
Nov  3 05:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: XSTATS 973251350 973244150 RR=40 RNXD=5 RFwdR=20 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=13 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=20 SAns=131 SFwdQ=7 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=131 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=7 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=20 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=35 SNXD=6 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 06:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Cleaned cache of 0 RRsets
Nov  3 06:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: USAGE 973254950 973244150 CPU=0.112011u/0.043559s CHILDCPU=0.009824u/0.004912s
Nov  3 06:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: NSTATS 973254950 973244150 A=109 PTR=55 MX=3 AAAA=9 ANY=2
Nov  3 06:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: XSTATS 973254950 973244150 RR=40 RNXD=5 RFwdR=20 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=13 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=20 SAns=179 SFwdQ=7 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=179 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=7 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=20 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=54 SNXD=6 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 07:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Cleaned cache of 3 RRsets
Nov  3 07:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: USAGE 973258550 973244150 CPU=0.135415u/0.049241s CHILDCPU=0.009824u/0.004912s
Nov  3 07:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: NSTATS 973258550 973244150 A=137 PTR=73 MX=4 AAAA=10 ANY=2
Nov  3 07:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: XSTATS 973258550 973244150 RR=44 RNXD=5 RFwdR=23 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=13 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=21 SAns=227 SFwdQ=8 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=227 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=8 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=23 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=74 SNXD=6 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 08:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Cleaned cache of 0 RRsets
Nov  3 08:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: USAGE 973262150 973244150 CPU=0.156971u/0.05023s CHILDCPU=0.009824u/0.004912s
Nov  3 08:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: NSTATS 973262150 973244150 A=161 SOA=1 PTR=91 MX=4 AAAA=11 ANY=2
Nov  3 08:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: XSTATS 973262150 973244150 RR=44 RNXD=5 RFwdR=23 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=13 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=21 SAns=271 SFwdQ=8 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=271 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=8 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=23 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=92 SNXD=6 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0
Nov  3 09:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Cleaned cache of 0 RRsets
Nov  3 09:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: USAGE 973265750 973244150 CPU=0.179276u/0.053119s CHILDCPU=0.009824u/0.004912s
Nov  3 09:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: NSTATS 973265750 973244150 A=185 SOA=1 PTR=109 MX=6 AAAA=12 ANY=3
Nov  3 09:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: XSTATS 973265750 973244150 RR=44 RNXD=5 RFwdR=23 RDupR=0 RFail=0 RFErr=0 RErr=13 RAXFR=0 RLame=0 ROpts=0 SSysQ=21 SAns=318 SFwdQ=8 SDupQ=0 SErr=0 RQ=317 RIQ=0 RFwdQ=8 RDupQ=0 RTCP=0 SFwdR=23 SFail=0 SFErr=0 SNaAns=111 SNXD=8 RUQ=0 RURQ=0 RUXFR=0 RUUpd=0

And 207.158.72.45 (lerbsd) hasn't seen the notify.

Here is the zone:

$TTL 86400
; zone file for lerctr.org 

@		IN SOA lerami.lerctr.org. hostmaster.lerctr.org. (
			2000110302	; serial # (Aug 24, 1995, seq 0)
			10800	 ; refresh (three hours)
			3600	; retry  (one hour)
			1209600	; exipration (two weeks)
			86400	; minimum TTL (one day)
			)

;
;	name servers
;
		IN NS ns-a.lerctr.org.
		IN NS ns-b.lerctr.org.
		IN NS ns-a.cirr.com.
		IN NS ns3.iadfw.net.
		IN NS ns4.iadfw.net.
		IN NS mainhost.cyberramp.net.
		IN NS mailhost.cyberramp.net.

; MX record so <user>@lerctr.org works
                IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		IN LOC   32 56 57.48  N 96 39 24.12 W 100.00m 10.00m 100.00m 10.00m
fw		IN A  207.158.72.1
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "486DX4-100" "FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE"
lerami		IN A  207.158.72.11
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "PentiumIII-500" "UnixWare 7 7.1.1"
ns-a            IN A  207.158.72.11
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "PentiumIII-500" "UnixWare 7 7.1.1"
lerbsd		IN A  207.158.72.45
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "PentiumIII-600E" "FreeBSD 4.2-BETA"
www2		CNAME lerbsd.lerctr.org.
ns-b		IN A  207.158.72.45
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "PentiumIII-600E" "FreeBSD 4.2-BETA"
; lerami is also www & ftp & news & mail
www             CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
www1            CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
ftp             CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
news            CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
mail            CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
pop3            CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
pop             CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
imap		CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
lerdesk         CNAME ler-desk.iadfw.net.
ler-desk        CNAME ler-desk.iadfw.net.

; HTTP Virtual Domains/Name Based HTTP/1.1 Req'd
socaltip	IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
caltip		IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
norcaltip	IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
cencaltip	IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
socata		IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
www.socata	IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
garland-fourth	IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
www.garland-fourth IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
laradio		IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
www.laradio	IN CNAME lerami.lerctr.org.
; Squirt's Win 98 SE box
lerisis         IN A  207.158.72.12
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "Intel Pentium(r)" "Windows 98se"
lerlaptop	IN A  207.158.72.14
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "Toshiba 4005cds" "UnixWare 7 7.1.1"

ler300		IN A 207.158.72.16
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.
		HINFO "Intel Pentium-II 350" "Windows 2000 Pro"
lj5		IN A 207.158.72.30
		IN MX 10 lerami.lerctr.org.
                IN MX 20 lerbsd.lerctr.org.

; Ft. Worth people that use lerctr.org.
rwsys           IN MX 10 mx.rwsystems.net.
rwsystr         IN MX 10 mx.rwsystems.net.
caleb           IN MX 10 mx.rwsystems.net.
nemesis         IN MX 10 mx.rwsystems.net.
dansys          IN MX 10 mx.rwsystems.net.
rowdy           IN MX 10 rowdy-gw.fastlane.net.
;; Gordon Burditt
sneaky		IN A	206.138.224.67
		IN MX 	10 sneaky.lerctr.org.
hammy		IN A	206.138.224.67
		IN MX 	10 hammy.lerctr.org.


jinlite		IN	MX	10 lerami.lerctr.org.
piziali		IN	MX	10 lerami.lerctr.org.
doubled		IN	MX	10 lerami.lerctr.org.
bluecafe	IN	MX	10 lerami.lerctr.org.
> 
> 	It has then sent out NOTIFY messages, it will have also sent			out refresh queries, which have triggered a zone transfer.
> 	The zone transfered zone is then loaded triggering a second
> 	set of NOTIFY messages.
> 
> 	As to why it didn't hear from 207.158.72.11, one would first
> 	check ns-a.lerctr.org logs to see if the NOTIFY was sent to
> 	all the six slaves.  Then check the log for the same time
> 	on ns-b.lerctr.org.  Note NOTIFY messages are queued for up
> 	to 5 minutes.
> 
> 	Mark
> > 
> > LER
> > 
> > * Mark.Andrews@nominum.com <Mark.Andrews@nominum.com> [001103 06:20]:
> > > 
> > > 	Because a NOTIFY is supposed to be sent whenever a master,
> > > 	not just the primary master, loads a new copy of a zone.
> > > 	This allows "master -> slave -> slave" to work out of the box.
> > > 
> > > 	Mark
> > > 
> > > > Why is OUR named sending notify's for a SECONDARY zone?
> > > > 
> > > > lerbsd# tail /var/log/messages
> > > > Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: listening on [127.0.0.1].53 (lo0)
> > > > Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9613]: Forwarding source address is
> > > > [0.0.0.0].1745
> > > > Nov  3 03:35:50 lerbsd named[9614]: Ready to answer queries.
> > > > Nov  3 03:36:01 lerbsd named[9614]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA
> > > > 2000110100" (lerctr.org); 1 NS, 1 A
> > > > Nov  3 03:36:01 lerbsd named[9614]: suppressing duplicate notify
> > > > ("lerctr.org" IN SOA)
> > > > Nov  3 03:36:01 lerbsd last message repeated 3 times
> > > > Nov  3 03:36:28 lerbsd named[9614]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA
> > > > 2000110100" (lerctr.org); 6 NS, 6 A
> > > > Nov  3 03:37:04 lerbsd named-xfer[9627]: send AXFR query 0 to
> > > > 207.158.72.11
> > > > Nov  3 03:37:04 lerbsd named[9614]: slave zone "lerctr.org" (IN)
> > > > loaded (serial 2000110300)
> > > > Nov  3 03:37:29 lerbsd named[9614]: Sent NOTIFY for "lerctr.org IN SOA
> > > > 2000110300" (lerctr.org); 6 NS, 6 A
> > > > lerbsd# 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Larry Rosenman                      http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> > > > Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org
> > > > US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
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> > > --
> > > Mark Andrews, Nominum Inc.
> > > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> > > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742                 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
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> > -- 
> > Larry Rosenman                      http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> > Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org
> > US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
> > 
> > 
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> --
> Mark Andrews, Nominum Inc.
> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742                 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com
-- 
Larry Rosenman                      http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812 (voice) Internet: ler@lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749


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