Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:14:02 +0000 From: Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com> To: Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gonzalo Nemmi <gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Enhancing the user experience with tcsh Message-ID: <CADLo83_UtM4Qhe4ZECfwUdbUtcvJ7eL6Zk5U0LgYPhFbBiVLDA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60F4612D-96A5-4702-99A2-99E8102C373E@mac.com> References: <CAF6rxgnebQUY8azv8fovQPkB%2BGgsQjaByZ6JwnNWjrM1hB65eQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F34FA17.7080000@quip.cz> <20120210133629.Horde.uDX6B5jmRSRPNQ9NDdkRUI4@webmail.leidinger.net> <201202102037.30996.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> <CAF6rxgnfmU4vyZ_ERbodf8x6ALWps-5HcHvpQhQE=xVokzNbCg@mail.gmail.com> <20120211080731.GD85504@goofy01.vnodelab.local> <CAH8WUys07JzzrdShW%2Bm=VQwgawu1%2BspjQLi3%2BeMGcQLzc92qwg@mail.gmail.com> <3A8C8AA5-94A7-44C2-81BD-F348DAC4521A@mac.com> <CADLo83_HJxPD3zCfQtK-mHUyK5q6qzhCJDLY-U05rvcX2M0ZLA@mail.gmail.com> <60F4612D-96A5-4702-99A2-99E8102C373E@mac.com>
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On 12 Feb 2012 18:22, "Chuck Swiger" <cswiger@mac.com> wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > So do I, but would these hurt you? > > At the present time, no. (At one point, I was using a keyboard > where the arrow keys generated "ESC-[ 1 ~" through "4", > IIRC, but I haven't been on console on it in some time.) > > > I think it's insane that by default the standard keys don't work. > > What "standard keys" would those be? > > Folks, assuming that everyone uses IBM-AT derived American QUERTY > layout keyboard is faulty. Our German friends are more likely to use > a QUERTZ layout, French/Benelux tend to use AZERTY, and non ISO-Latin-1 > languages like Russian and the asian languages have still other layouts. > > On the non-laptop keyboard I use most, which does have a QUERTY layout, > but it does not have an "Insert" key; that key is the function key: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iMac_Keyboard_A1243.png [1] > > On other non-American keyboards, the "Insert" key is labelled "Help", > and generated 0xF5 ("F1" + Meta/set-high-bit?). > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > [1]: Which is decent, but not perfect. I'd swap ESC and "`~", and > caps-lock with control, and that would IMO be the perfect layout. > > For obvious reasons, I don't recall ever using or needing to use the > function key. Even when on a Windows box, I wouldn't typically use > the middle-upper 6-key Ins/DEL/etc block; I touch-type and my hands > don't like to leave home row. (On the other hand, I do change volume > and screen brightness daily, and even eject audio CDs more than I need Fn. > I'm just as happy to not need to do these things via two key-presses...) > > PS: Folks, all of the above discussion, which includes my preferences, is > aside from my main point, which is that proposed changes should first > land as examples. Far too much of what people consider obvious improvements > not only do not apply everywhere, they sometimes *don't* *work* and break > things. Right... not once however have you referenced the Home/End/Delete keys, which is what I was talking about (I'll give you Insert) :) The scan codes for those three keys are the same on (almost) all,keyboards. Jilles is right about fixing the tcsh source however. Chrishome | help
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