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Date:      Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:44:38 -0700
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Joseph Gleason" <clash@tasam.com>, "Cameron McLaughlin" <cameron@netvmg.com>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Hello
Message-ID:  <005401c11a55$6f570200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <002f01c11a08$e5936ff0$0a2d2d0a@battleship>

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Hi Joseph,

  I am one.  It's overrated.  If you want to help yourself don't waste your
time studying BGP until you have spent the time to understand OSPF.

  There's really only one network that runs BGP and that's the Internet.  Oh,
there's a few large corporate nets that have multiple egresses to the Internet
and are forced to carry BGP between all their gateway routers in their
corporation, but they use BGP primariarly for balancing egress traffic to the
Internet from within their internal networks.  OSPF (and sometimes IGRP) is
what they use to handle their internal routing.  Your going to see many more
corporate networks that run OSPF internally and no BGP at all than you will
see corporate networks running BGP.  ISP's are the primary consumers of BGP
engineers and you will probably make more money working as a WAN administrator
in a large corporation than you would working as a WAN engineer at an ISP.

  Looking at netVmg's website, it appears that they are just another of a long
list of companies that have tried and failed to switch the Internet's routing
protocol from BGP4 to something proprietary that they make money off of.  It's
hard to tell if they want BSD or BGP people - either would help them.  If the
Internet really were a composed of about 10 major backbone carriers then
companies like this might have a shot at it - but the Internet has way too
many small ISP's that would have little financial benefit from the enticements
that netVmg is putting in their routing protocol for any patented technology
to take root in it.  What they are selling is really going to be of primary
interest to big carriers with big customers and while there's enough of them
to make a living off of, what netVmg is doing is clearly a niche market and
will most likely stay a niche market for the forseeable future.

If netVmg were doing something that's open standard, then it might be
interesting.  But then they probably wouldn't be able to make any money at it.
:-)

Ted Mittelstaedt                                       tedm@toybox.placo.com
Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
Book website:                          http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Gleason
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:37 PM
To: Cameron McLaughlin; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Hello


It is my understanding that BGP experts are much more expensive than Free.
Which is why I am trying to become one.

Do you mean FreeBSD experts?
----- Original Message -----
From: Cameron McLaughlin
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 17:26
Subject: Hello




How can I let people know about us on your site.   We are looking for some
FreeBGP engineers.    Our website:  www.netvmg.com
Cameron McLaughlin
netVmg
www.netvmg.com
cameron@netvmg.com
408-474-0377


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