Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:09:26 -0800 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: "K. Macy" <kmacy@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>, =?UTF-8?B?eiBXxIVzaWtvd3NraQ==?= <lukasz@wasikowski.net>, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not Message-ID: <4F528886.4050606@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <CAHM0Q_OGVtWQWSC0=WLLMJD2XxUiU7tLpy8yfRFyn5yBBWQFxQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <BA7FFA2D-DEE6-4FB7-AE26-0BC79CBFD8C0@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <CACqU3MWx3pMMDncvOita-OAgfe=NPKtwKE2WeB_mdcYwozY81Q@mail.gmail.com> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_O%2BCt6yhRL=B9oxgkL8EgLxZdo7-KFO2C8HqiN1=Kx_bw@mail.gmail.com> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_OfeB7Kb=pgjGq0uffLJdJROGoCaGz=25Jito-kweAxRQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_MZM6Gn_zPzxz5tLuzPOW=kK9YxqmrLTyitvGfAPhrkbw@mail.gmail.com> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F51BEE0.7090108@freebsd.org> <CAGH67wR95BfH_pP%2BazrZfFcWO%2BaZMnwdfzRvydD3a6gv3kYKBA@mail.gmail.com> <CAHM0Q_M3-3%2Bbf5DwNaRDO6N%2BSPFb%2Bv-O0hXyXWQxumQrQUiyoQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F528517.5090702@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_OGVtWQWSC0=WLLMJD2XxUiU7tLpy8yfRFyn5yBBWQFxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 03/03/2012 13:03, K. Macy wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> On 03/03/2012 08:53, K. Macy wrote:
>>> a) We as a members of the community are collectively responsible for
>>> the state of FreeBSD. Simply disabling features or removing
>>> functionality that doesn't work or doesn't work optimally and / or
>>> filing bug reports but not being able or willing to respond to
>>> feedback requests is in essence a form of neglect. Although we all
>>> have day to day obligations for which the use of FreeBSD is extremely
>>> impractical if not impossible ... any progress, any improvements, any
>>> advancements will only happen because *we* made it happen.
>>
>> Since we're reiterating key points, I'll do mine one more time. While I
>> sympathize with what you wrote above, if you continue to believe that
>
> *users*
>
>> have a responsibility to help you debug new features you're going
>> to be disappointed and frustrated.
>
> Users don't, community members do.
You're drawing a distinction that I don't.
> So I guess I rest my case for you
> Doug. You're an end user at the end of the day who thinks he is a
> member of the community. As you've made apparent on other threads.
>
> In your mind Other People(TM) are responsible for FreeBSD's welfare
> for consuming your dogfood because you know the people who eat it.
Um, wow.
Clearly you are either unable or unwilling to see my point, so I wish
you all the best.
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