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Date:      Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:12:48 +0000
From:      Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>
To:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, allanjude@freebsd.org, Current FreeBSD <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Difference in "netstat -rn" output in the last 2 months
Message-ID:  <Z5keIPELUxBdyhJR@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <Z5kJzMy0qRZ3i0pD@cell.glebi.us>
References:  <b529fbae8f4f4ed96dab86d11995f4b9@Leidinger.net> <Z5kJzMy0qRZ3i0pD@cell.glebi.us>

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On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 08:46:04AM -0800, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 04:58:57PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> A> something has changed in the output of "netstat -rn" between
> A> 2024-11-23-195545 and 2025-01-22-151306. The default route is not listed as
> A> "default" anymore, but with "0.0.0.0" resp. "::/0". This breaks some tools
> A> (e.g. iocage). Iocage uses python, I'm not sure if it uses netstat or some
> A> other interface, so it may not be directly related to netstat itself but
> A> could be related to some other stuff (netlink maybe?).
> A> 
> A> Does this ring a bell for someone?
> 
> This is very likely changed by 9206c79961986c2114a9a2cfccf009ac010ad259.
> 
> Allan, may be make exclusion for the "default" to keep POLA? Otherwise,
> indeed at time of 15.0-RELEASE we will receive some negative feedback :)

I fully second this request.  I was very much annoyed by this change, as
"netstat -rn" is in my finger memory and seeing linuxish 0.0.0.0 instead
of our usual "default" was totally unexpected and rather confusing.

./danfe



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