Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:05:22 -0700 From: "Randy A. Katz" <randyk@ccsales.com> To: dennis <dennis@etinc.com>, Richard Hodges <rh@alpine.net> Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multi-homed - Load Balancing - No Single Point of Failure Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970814160522.00d0fd30@ccsales.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970814171131.00e79ac0@etinc.com>
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Dennis, I am looking for a solution. I don't see you've answered my original questions...Multi-homed - Load Balancing - No Single Point of Failure...apparently you've been fighting with these guys for awhile but I don't feel like you've given my questions a go. Here they were: >Given two upstream providers is it possible to use a single or two FreeBSD >boxes to do BGP routing and load balancing? And if so, what equipment >should we use? T1 Cards? Routers? > >My current provider is telling us we need a Cisco 4700 (20-30,000). I was >thinking if I could get a powerfull FreeBSD box (200MHz Pro/MMX with 128MB >RAM) to do the routing it would be just as good and about 20,000 less >expensive...please let me know if I'm off my rocker! > >Thanx, >Randy Katz > > At 05:11 PM 8/14/97 -0400, dennis wrote: >At 12:11 PM 8/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >>On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, dennis wrote: >> >>> >My "typical" router is one T1 and one Ethernet. >>> > >>> >Etinc: (new) Ascend: (new) cisco: (used) >>> >--------------- --------- ----------- >>> > $550 5025 card $1025 Pipeline 130 $1200 2501 (used) >>> > $125 cable $ n/a v.35 cable n/a $ ?? cable may be included >>> > $400 DSU/CSU $ n/a DSU/CSU $ 400 DSU/CSU >>> >---- ------ ----- >>> >$1075 (w/o host) $1025 ready to go $1600 ready to go >>> > >>> >+ $50 to add F/R + 0 included $ 0 included >>> >>> Well, almost..its $585. for a card and a cable (Perhaps you confused >>> our cable with Cisco's?), and $375 for a CSU/DSU, so you are >>> talking $960. >> >>Ok. Your web page said the cable was not included, and the v.35 >>cable below had a price of $125. So I just figured... > >Thats a quad-V.35 cable...the cable is 40. > >> >>> For slow, single port routers....yeah, you may be right. Of course >>> no one makes any money on a low-end router anyway, so who >>> cares? >> >>If I need several low-end routers, then *I* care. >> >>> >Yes, I *DO UNDERSTAND* that *BSD is much more powerful for >>> >routing... But I know how to set up cisco and Ascend. >>> >>> This, is a personal problem. If you *don't* the learning curve is similar. >> >>I understand FreeBSD better than you think. Your cards I do not. >> >>> >Your web page documentation could benefit greatly if you would put >>> >your manuals, tips, and configuration information online. You see, >>> >I want to know everything about the job *BEFORE I BUY*. >>> >>> If you're talking to ET, it IS up there, so perhaps we're on a different >>> wavelength. >> >>I would love to read your product manuals and configuration guides. >>(That is really what I am asking for.) What are the URLs? > >Uh...try clicking on the "manuals" section. I forget what color it is. > >> >>> >If I could get your basic 5025 with cable for $250 to $300, I would >>> >probably get one for experimentation. > >We are not in the business of funding your experimentation.... > >> >>> Perhaps, some day, when we are really hard up for business we >>> will consider such a *program*.... :-) But for now things are pretty >>> much booming.... >> >>If I knew your products were better than my other options, I would be >>willing to pay more. Since I do not know that, my "experimental" >>budget is smaller. > >another personal problem.... > >> >>> >I hope you don't take this as a grip, but if you do, please consider >>> >it that I really would like to try your products... but the price is >>> >too high and I need a chance to build confidence in them. >> >>> The price is *approproiate*. >> >>You have not demonstrated your products' full value (yet) TO ME... > >I can never convice you with words, and Im not giving one to you for free, >so you're stuck with Ascend. > >> >>> For $300. its not worth the trouble dealing with you... >> >>That is a funny way to phrase it... But I understand. >> >>If the customer is not saying "yes", then you must educate your customer >>until he understands why the product is worth what you are asking. > >If it works it is worth is, if it doesnt then it isnt worth anything. Like >someone said, >we've been over it many times before...the arguments are constant. > >If you're never going to grow beyond 1 line, you dont care about bandwidth >management or cant figure out how to run ifconfig on a PTP interface, then >maybe it isnt worth it for you. > >Dennis > >
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