Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault <doug@safeport.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1908211037110.26404@bucksport.safeport.com> In-Reply-To: <20190821050434.c0d6f231.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <d968aa28-dd43-ba88-f1f7-846330e9ed0c@netfence.it> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> <5cf06276-5b83-dc43-9a66-6dd2489391de@netfence.it> <1473972364.7183096.1566212915873@mail.yahoo.com> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1908201706200.21839@fledge.watson.org> <20190821050434.c0d6f231.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:49:02 -0400 (EDT), doug wrote: >> I suspect you would get almost as many different historys as you have software >> groups. By that I mean I use the base FreeBSD and xfce. As far as I can tell my >> group is fairly small. My experience with Firefox was no issues until Xorg >> unbundled. Then I hit a patch where the order of packages installed was >> important. What mostly worked was (1) xorg; (2) firefox; (3) xfce. At times I >> could not install thunderbird. All this caused by interlocking prerequisites. > > That sounds wrong. Just wrong. But I know it is possible and can happen. My memory is that xfce's file manager (thunar) share a couple of dynamic libraries. xfce was happy to run with the one[s] it found. Not so with firefox. I ranted at the time. >> With FreeBSD 11 I think I have thunderbird installed on my laptop. Throughout my >> journey through FreeBSD Firefox itself has mostly worked. Flash of course never >> worked, ditto for some videos, that never mattered to me. > > I have "Flash" working with Opera (using the Linux plugin), but not > with current Firefox. WebM and MP4 video worked out of the box. So > never expect "something old" to work with new Firefox, such as FTP, > as Chrome has announced the removal of ftp:// address support, and > I assume Firefox will follow, because "Please, we do everything you > do, let us be the new number two!" - "Who is number one?" ;-) > >> Chrome works fine except I don't like how it does cookies. > > Personally, I never got friends with Crome or Chromium, they just > are too... google-ish... Chrome stores all its information in ~/.cache/chromium/Default/Cache. If you delete everything for all time you end up with about 100 files all named something like 00c6991d08e18825_0. Google-ish or scary take your pick. >> My current issue is neither Firefox or chrome will work on one of the credit >> card sites I use. The issue here is something with cookie handling. > > Try Opera. Maybe that works. But... even Opera now internally uses one of "the > big ones" rendering engines instead its own one, so maybe it works, maybe > not... and without proper configuration, it's almost as unusable as Firefox or > Chrome (but hey, probably that is the look & feel people _expect_ from > "modern" web browsers, or have been trained to just accept it). Thanks, I'll give Opera a go. In this case I'm reasonably sure it's the bank's IT dept keeping banking hours. Windows 10 firefox works and to the extent I can tell both the fbsd and windows versions store the same cookies. >> All that said I like firefox. It would be nice if it could be less bloatish. I >> would ever compile it to achieve that end. I am used to the look and feel and 90+% of the time it just works. Happily disks are growing faster than firefox. > You're hoping for something that will never happen. Firefox and bloat > have been paired long time ago, and they will never part ways, I fear. I know but I believed in the tooth fairly until I took comparative religion :) _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277
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